+1 for going to PM, -1 because it’s quite pathetic to do so
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I’ve amended some things in my posts to make them more accurate in representing my views.
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T80ud is better than tt alternative at same br (t72b)
Turm 3 is better than tech tree alternative, m48a2 g a2
Bp premium sheridan is better than tt t92
Xm1 chrysler is better than tt alternative, xm803
First few examples that came to mind
T-80UD - 120S, Sabra Mk1, ZTZ96A. Some get thermals and/or better rounds over armor.
Turm 3 - ZTZ59D1, Type 74C.
M551 76 - T92 has HEATFS, Type 62, Pbv 501, AMX-13.
XM1 Chrysler - M60 TTS, Type 74E/F.
Like, I’m not saying Turm 3 and T-80UD aren’t OP, I’m just saying there are stuff similarly powerful to them or greater in tech trees.
And I’m not going to claim M551 76 or XM1 Chrysler is OP.
Only 9 defeats in a row? Try 10.7 ground rb
Mobility as well. 120s and sabra have horrid mobility and ztz has bit worse mobility.
Also 3bm42 is more than enough for entire 9.3-11.3 range so I dont think better rounds are huge advantage.
Ztz has worse reload as well.
Wouldnt trade ud mobility, armor and reload for that tbh.
Ztz has horrid turret rotation and gun guidance speeds, vertical stab (while turm has 2 (uhm ackshually 3) plane stab), -5 gun depression and worse reload (7.5s) which is nowhere near to turm 5s.
Type 74c has slow vertical drive, horrid gun depression and elevation angles (yes yes suspension exists but you would need to change it constantly on hill maps because of -6/+9 deg). And reload value of 8s on aces which is 3s more than on turm 3.
Just like prev 3 examples, they have 1 or 2 small advantage but lose in any other aspect.
Sheridan has a 2 plane stab and its much more valuable than heatfs imo. Bit better reload might be good argument but Id still go for ability to land precise shot first with stab. Also last 2 dont have blessed .50 cow roof mg and type62 has dshk which is inferior to m2. Plus gun depression angles on type62, pbv501 and amx13 are worse.
M60 has much worse mobility, worse guidance speeds. Type 74 still has horrid gun elevation/depression, slow vertical drive and horrid reload. Plus worse mobility.
All of those vehicles have few little advantages but ud is faster, better armored and has 6s reload without any crew investment, turm 3 is fast, has decent gun handling and coax 30mm, sheridan has a whopping 2 plane stab and 50 cow and xm1 is much faster and has decent gun handling.
All of the vehicles I mentioned fire notably superior munition with AMX-13 being the only exception.
The point is that the 2 OP premiums you mentioned share BRs with other equally powerful vehicles.
Still not worth losing any major advantages of tanks I listed imo.
My point mostly was that premiums are better than their closest analogs in their country tt on same br (t80ud - t72b, turm 3 - m48a2, m551 76 - t92 etc)