I mean you’d trade a slightly better missile for a lack of gun and rockets. The self defense has also limited impact on the br for AAs anyway, otherwise we’d have gun AAs sitting higher than Missile ones, especially considering the state of manpads
So, sure I guess ?
You also seem far less shocked at ITO sitting at the same Br as a Pantsir while having same mobility, 2/3rd the loadout, 2/3rd the range and no guns, which is even wilder.
So you think Stinger Strela would be fine at 10.0 while it’s closest equivalent, which is SANTAL, is sitting at 9.3.
I already said that ITO can go down, now concentrate.
False equivalence
Strela would still get the optical lock advantage, which is substantial considering how broken IR signatures are in game
And a bigger warhead, though that matters less.
Though I suppose a Santal with actual mistrals could easily go to 10.3 as well
LAV-AD is a vehicle that is completely over Bred when it comes to AA duties, I mean it currently sits higher than a Roland, which is a bit ridiculous when you think about it
Stingers don’t have the optical lock in the game, so no.
But it would get way less missiles, no radar and no thermals.
SPAAs aren’t placed at a certain BR by just looking at their AA capabilities, otherwise ZSU-57-2 would be at 2.0 lol.
The gun and Hydras would hardly be worth a whole BR step above the Strela just because of a gun and some rockets, its still weakly armoured with a nothing more than decent radar, the LAVAD would lack the range, guns, and radar capability of something already at 10.7, the 2S6… This also isnt mentioning that Strela’s missiles would still likely be supperior in range and tracking cabailities, meaning thats a little bit of the tradeoff.
In the unlikely event of decompression I can see the argument of the LAVAD being a step higher, but in the current state of the game moving the LAVAD a whole BR step higher is just silly
That’s where the false equivalence comes in
You are trying to put stinger on a strela, making the loadout identical in terms of quality.
A fixed Stinger, while in the same class as a Strela, would still purely be IR and slightly slower
thermals are basically useless in an AA, especially first gens. The only thing i can agree on is Radar. Mistral would still have a problem though : short burn time, making it less maneuverable than Strela at “longer” ranges
Was about to respond, but he put it better than what i was writing, so :
So going from Stingers to Strela-like performance missiles is worth only 0.3 BR ?
Yes because they would then be the same BR, with some differences granted, and i can see the argument of wanting the LAVAD to be 10.7, but again the 2S6 would just be better in every single regard. What LAVAD would have over strela is Radar and thermals, the hydras dont contribute to air kills, and the gun although giving more versatility has a fairly limited vertical traverse iirc. Assuming strela’s missiles remain suppoerior by a fair margin the LAVAD could be the same BR.
I’m not talking about fixed Stinger here.
Put a current Stinger on Strela and tell me where you’d put it after that.
Also, I’ve heard that Stingers also have optical lock capabilities.
Handwaving direct upgrades just because you think something is useless…
Technically not asking me, but probably I’d put it at 9.3 seeing as ozelot has an IRST tracker and the Strela does not, similar in terms of armour and survivability, and it would have similar capabilities to the SANTAL
LAV-AD with improved Stinger is easily worth a 10.7 BR.
No it wouldn’t.
Strela-like missiles would be infinitely better at ~4-5km shots than that slug 2S6 is using.
AAs aren’t balanced just by looking at their AA performance.
Debateable as said previously, I see where you’re coming from but:
This is drastically underselling the immense versatility the 2S6 has, not to mention supperior range and guns, only lacking hydras
Although goofy, the hydras are hardly worth noting on anything other than light tanks considering LAVAD wil usualy be facing hordes of T72s, T64s, and occasionally T80s gimped up with ERA.
Ozelot also has quality thermals while being smaller and faster.
According to you, Strela losing it’s good missile and getting current Stingers instead would drop it’s BR by three steps, while you argue that giving LAV-AD a similar missile to Strela would only increase it’s BR by a single step.
The way i see it, Strela could go 10.0, lav 10.3, 2s6 10.7
Strela might be a bit too high idk
Compression as always
LAV-AD shouldn’t be 10.7, that is very much for sure though
If you have a radar it’s useless
If you don’t, what the hell are we doing scanning the sky with the Mk1 eyeball in sniper mode.
If the aircraft is too far, it won’t render in thermals or normal view either way
Because LAVAD is arguably overtiered if you focus solely on its avaliable missile loadout, as pointed out to you previously, all other purely stinger vehicles sit at 9.3 or 9.7. Seeing as the LAVAD has radar, thermals, guns and hydras, it is natural for it to be higher than pure stinger SAMs. So using the standard you are judging the LAVAD at, say 9.7, it actually goes three BR steps up in terms of missile capabilities
I’m just telling you that 2S6 isn’t better in every single regard.
2S6’s range is barely even meaningful as at further distances even a strike drone can dodge a full salvo of missiles. Osa clubs 2S6 in any longer range engagement while Strela does the same for short ranges.
2S6 is pretty much an A2G missile bot at this point.
I’ve been one-shotting tanks, including T-series ones with Hydras.
In the current state of the game with improved Stingers it definitely should, otherwise it’d be pretty unfair to Strela.
Maybe you don’t want to use the radar at that specific point in time.
Considering how primitive RWRs are at the Br, turning the radar completely off is useless
Turning it off once you know where your target is so he can’t triangulate you back, sure why not. But even then, triangulating requires a pretty good RWR
.3 Br higher than Strela for worst missiles but some rockets and a mini gun is what i would consider a pretty fair deal
I’m sure the OSA has long range versatility compared to the 2S6, but nowhere near the raction time to deal with close range threats, yet it still retains fairly good long range capability, a buffed stinger LAVAD should not go past it in BR.
It would have less range, worse radar, and worse gun/guns. Again like you said AA vehicles arent purely balanced off one aspect, versatility is also a regard one must consider, and versatility isnt only wether or not its good at defending itself against ground units.
Good for you, never said it was impossible to kill them, but they are more than likely to kill you first unless they took a bad shot in which skill issue on their part.
But you shouldn’t focus solely on that as that’s not how BRs are determined.
It’s fairly good yes, but against afk people.
Yes, you should die if someone shoots at you first while you’re in an AA.