Primitive RWRs can still pick up radar emissions, so pilots will know something is looking at them.
Not to mention your spinning radar is a pretty big target for overpressure.
Slightly worse missiles with a minigun, thermals and rockets capable of one-shotting tanks is far from a simple 0.3 increase.
EDIT:
Didn’t check till now but the LAVAD doesnt even get a radar, think i was mixing it with the Stormer AD, so no it should not move beyond 10.3 in a theoretical stinger buff
This is exactly what you were doing so i was replying using the same logic.
I mean, sure? its plenty capable, and would be somewhat better than a buffed stigner, hence a higher BR than the LAVAD
Okay cool
From what I understand, the only thing that would change is it’s seeker properties and how much it can pull. It’s thrust and such would remain the same. So possibly it could be on the same level. I’m probably wrong on this since i haven’t did much research on the Stinger.
I think you are over-valuing how much it’s auxiliaries can do. It can take out light tanks but mbts? You can but it ultimately depends on the competency of the enemy.
Assuming the stinger is modeled to be similar to the strella’s, would the lavad be better because it has those auxilieries? Yes, but would it be on par with the 2S6? Definitely not.
It’s kind of in the same situation as the regular Pershing. It shouldn’t be 6.7 but it can’t be in 6.3 either because it would dominate the tanks there. What makes the Lavad different is that with it being at 10.3 it is not going to perform any better than the Strella in anti air duties. It’ll only perform better in anti-tank duties but lets not pretend it anti-tank demon.
It is 10.3 material but 10.7? Unless it gets DL , and a search radar, then it won’t be a counterpart to the 2S6. The 2S6 still performs better medium-long range and in short range, the missile is pretty good if not, you can use your guns. It’s suited well for all threats. The Lavad excels a single type of threat constrained by short range which is the least of your worries at 10.7.
Doesn’t matter
they have to get close anyway, since the weaponry is as primitive as their rwrs
As for ovepressure, you just need to find the good spot
I’d hate to fall in the appeal to authority fallacy, but i’d argue i know how to play my radar equipped SPAAs around this br. Well only vehicle i do consistantly well in tbh. Tanks and planes, not so much
Well we won’t agree on this one i’m afraid
But if a relatively small vehicle for its class with almost the same amount of missiles + 4 guns can fit at the same Br as two stores building trucks (x3) firing dead at 20 clicks missiles if they weren’t multipathed first, i don’t think trading 0.3 br for rockets, a bit more missiles and a mini gun but losing in missile quality is that much of a stretch
Agree to disagree there.
Giving a vehicle a massive buff and then giving it a slight BR increase just doesn’t sit right with me.
Where did I do that ?
Nor does it me either to be honest, but sending LAVAD to 11.0 or possibly 11.3 also doesnt sit right with me, best scenario like I always say, to the point where i feel like people might start thinking i use it as a convinient way to disengage an argument, is that decompression would solve a lot of this debaccle. Even this theoretical stinger buff scenario
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You presented a scenario about stigners being given to the Strela reducing its BR, so i answered focusing on how the stinger acts on the LAVAD, the stinger as an Air to Air ordinance on the LAVAD is overtiered at 10.0 compared to competition at least
From tripod statements I remember from before it looks like they’d be pretty equal.
So you still can do infinitely more AT work than Strela.
I think they’d easily be on par as both would have their own things they’re good at.
Again, it performs better against afk enemies and at short range Strela-like missile is infinitely better.
Sorry, but I can’t really agree on this one.
2S6 is good if used as a missile bot.
Against close range targets ? Just take Strela.
Against long range targets ? Just take Osa.
But they’ll still be alerted of your presence and make take their time to locate you and get rid of you first.
So thermals still give you more options than not having any.
Would be a nice argument if you didn’t want those two things to be at different BRs.
I’m not arguing it should go to 11.3.
I agree with you on this.
Ozelot has no guns, just like Strela.
It’s AT ability is zero.
Well my mistake then, someone said thats what your stance was and i took their word for it, thats on me.
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What argument are you trying to back with this example? it is unrelated to the previous statement
Yes but it’s AT is below average at best. That’s like asking for the Israeli Ah-64A to go up in BR because the US 64A has half the countermeasures and no MAW. The BR bracket is too compressed and having it at 10.7 when it performs exactly the same as a Strella just doesn’t make sense.
It’s the same reason why the british and american adats are the same BR.
If I was omniscient and knew exactly what, where and when a target is in the sky I’d agree with you but I’m only human. The 2S6 is by far the scariest threat and I say this as an avid CAS main.
The OSA is extremely easy to dodge and the Strella you are defenseless against medium-long range targets. With the 2S6, you capable of dealing with any threat. And if you are going against competent CAS players, you force them to play in your effective range because they can’t just launch munitions uncontested.
Unless the LAV gets a radar, and dl stingers, it doesn’t make sense for it to be 10.7.
Yes because stingers are a 9.3 missime currently, the lav ad is at 10.0 because of its rockets and gun, that is what gaijin deems to be a good br for that capability, that won’t change after the stingers get buffed, on the contrary people might start doing it less because the stingers would actually be a valid weapn shstem
Its the strongest against helis of the three, and with radar screen the missiles perform better at longer range.
There is a way for you to make your missile behave like bot ones
Has been in game for almost a year at this point
All i’m saying is, .3br should be the difference between LAV with fixed stingers and strela when looking at the state of compression
The example I gave was obviously refering to modern SAM sites vs Pantsir SM-SV, both at 12.7, which let’s be honest is quite unjustified when you see how broken and bugged multiple vehicle SAM sites are
Gaijin apparently thinks that a ships boiler drops to zero pressure the second you shut the engines off, they clearly have no competence on any technical matters what so ever.
the Strela should already be 11.3 at least considering the Type81C sits at 11.7, and they are pretty much the same capability wise.
Edit: it actually is better in some scenarios since it gets a roof mounted MG
I don’t agree with this one.
My dude, 2S6 can be dodged by a strike drone.
Osa has missiles that keep their speed for much longer, instead of turning into a slug after 4-5km. Not to mention much better trigger radius.
Sorry but it does.
It’s capability will drastically increase due to getting a much better missile. It’s a very simple concept my dude.
I wasn’t talking about that, rather than it being used as a bot vehicle just to shoot down ordnance.
stingers will increase its anti AFV capability? damn i didnt know they invented anti tank stingers