Thats not the point. The point is they’re are denying the documented g’s because then you translate the mistral and stringer data on the igla missile system, they cant reach the same numbers, which is stupid to say the least. They are different missiles, different technology, different guidance. The igla is a early early stinger ripoff, and had upgraded a lot compared to the igla when we compare the version we have in game
That might be true, but the way they COULD be implemented is not really that hard (in terms of programming). its MUCH harder to get accurate flight models for aircraft because there are so many factors affecting it (air density, speed, angle, thrust, lift of specific area of wings), all of them affecting each other and interacting (and they have managed that very well).
spall liners CAN be as easy as “if projectile hits this object (spall liner), decrease amount of fragments and change cone size to smaller, otherwise proceed as normal” (literally just an “if/else” statement in programming if you know what that is). They could have, without any big issues, added a rudimentary version years back. What they have now is obviously way more accurately modeled but it didn’t need to be back then, they could have updated the rudimentary version when the better simulation-model was completed this year.
The T-90M was put in service in 2016. it should not have come to the game earlier than this.
The Leopard 2A7 was put in service 2014. (Edit: V version 2019)
The Abrams SEPv2 was put in service 2007.
The 122B+ is a concept vehicle from 2011 that was never built.
The VT-4A1 pas put into service 2016 (but was unveiled and put up for export sale (i.e done) in 2012)
So the T-90M comes at the same time as other tanks from the same time period.
Previous top vehicles (before this major update) by year put in service:
M1A2 sep: 2007
Leopard 2 PSO: 2006 (demonstrator)
T-80BVM: 2017 (Newer than i thought)
T-72B3: 2010-2011
Challenger 2E: late 1990’s
Black knight: 2018 (also newer than i thought)
TKX: 2010
Type 10: 2010
WZ1001(E) LCT: prototype for ZTZ99A
ZTZ99A: 2011
Ariette/Ariette PSO: 1995/2003
Leclerc SXXI:2003
Strv 122B: 2003
Leopard 2A6: 2007
Merkava Mk.4M: 2011
So the Year of service has been consistent (mostly) with release in War Thunder. the only two outliers are the Black knight and the T-80BVM being much newer than every other tank in the game at that time.
That’s the thing, so many other tanks that IRL has spall liners has been in the game for years. but spall liners did not come when they were released. Had they released spall liners earlier (like 6 months ago or something) almost no one would complain, its just the timing of doing it at the same time as adding the T-90M that seems odd.
To add to that the T-90M was the first on the dev-server to have the feature, meaning that they prioritized it when doing implementation, it was literally their first vehicle to have it modeled (even if they then released all of them with finished spall liners on live server) which very much makes it seem like favouritism.
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this is also not true, world of tanks has had them for many many years.
Steel beasts has had them for decades! (yes decades, they are mentioned in their manual from 2001)
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Yeah, sorry. My bad, will continue in DM.
Would you be more satisfied with a 20g stinger and a 16g igla?
Is it that important? You won’t get more of an advantage.
except it doesn’t work, because the way the fins are steered is not the same for both models.
They only took into account the way the missile “looks” from the outside, without knowing how the thing works inside. There are multiple posts explaining the difference between bang bang and PID, you just need to read those.
Moreover, as already stated, selling a missile for 30G if it’s unable to do it as its average load (and not peak load) makes no sense. False advertisement doesn’t work well IRL, and yet the mistral keeps being sold. The head of project at matra (René Carpentier) stated himself the first version can pull 25G to hit a target maneuvering at 8G. Assuming its average (and therefore actual) overload is only 16G, it can’t do that, and gaijin’s explanation contradicts René Carpentier’s explanation.
The same applies for the stinger, with the Defense Intelligence Agency stating an effective (and therefore average, not peak) 22G overload
Both from a theorical and physical point of view, their explanation is flawed.
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If you want to see max g, igla would be 16 because 10.2 is average.
Is that okay with you? You’ll never dodge it then
22g yes, of course. If you can provide any primary evidence that the igla can pull 16gs, if not im sorry to say you should stay with 10gs.
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The developer has already provided in the post itself a formula for converting average g’s to maximum g’s. For igla it is 100% correct.
I have seen different numbers for stinger and 20 and 22.
no, read again
The igla uses a bang bang control method. Basically, the fins are steered in the desired direction only when they are properly aligned with airflow, while the mistral and stinger use a more precise PID, meaning the steering is not done in a binary way (steering position / neutral position) but is more progressive, here read this post
Therefore the igla is, according to first hand russian documentation, correct in its current form.
Now if you have any sources stating otherwise, you can make a bug report, however, this has little to do with the stinger and mistral performances.
Thats not a primary source bro. Can you prove with documentation that the igla can pull 16gs?
The igla paperwork says 10.2 average g. The maximum can be calculated by the formula that justified the developer.
You want one missile to write max g, and the other average g
If you do not agree, we will ponerfim Armor tanks, which it is not specified in centimeters, because we will not bring all to one value.
Converting one value to another does not require paperwork if there is a formula.
How do you know the igla can actual pull 16g? How do you know that there isnt a limitation on stress or seeker that prevents it or not of pulling 16g? Is there anywhere else on the manufacturer or russian/soviet MoD that says it can pull 16gs?
We have yet again run into a circular problem of me having to remind you that the issue with this blog is that they don’t actually know this for sure. They “guessed” and “assumed” using their own napkin math. This blog they provided is nothing better than deflection, they outright ignore sourcing material based on their own conclusion.
i laugh when ppl say theres no russian bias in this game.
apds normalization that gave +1º than the plate of the t54 back in the day
the russian tank barrels having more hp
the is6 issue
the wood log in the back of russian tanks having more effectiveness than rha
russian side skirts made of era that eat apfsds
the overperforming aphe
not modeling renerative steering that favoures lighter tanks (russian)
and so many others. it all comes down to this dev blog where they admit to actually making russian gear stronger by making the competition trash.
this was never a fair game but at least now they admit it…
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Comparing apples to oranges wont do you any good. Where is the primary or secondary source of the iglas’s 16g
You said it right about the apples. That’s why all rockets have average overload or maximum overload, but not average for one and maximum for the others
You cannot do that with fucking missile systems. They are obviously different in its functionalities, mechanics, number of stabilization fins and so on. If you make a comparison of that it only shows how lacking on basic logic you are. It’s the same as saying well, I have this Volkswagen Beetle and this AMG GT-R, both have wheels and a engine. If i put the same engine on both they go on the same speed and turn the same… thats just stupid.
The developer according to igla documents calculated that if the average overload is 10.2g, the maximum is 16g.
Can you refute this?
And it was explained that due to the Iglas use of Bang-Bang control methods, it is less efficient than PID steering. Have you actually read the thread at all?
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