Yeah, sorry. My bad, will continue in DM.
Would you be more satisfied with a 20g stinger and a 16g igla?
Is it that important? You won’t get more of an advantage.
except it doesn’t work, because the way the fins are steered is not the same for both models.
They only took into account the way the missile “looks” from the outside, without knowing how the thing works inside. There are multiple posts explaining the difference between bang bang and PID, you just need to read those.
Moreover, as already stated, selling a missile for 30G if it’s unable to do it as its average load (and not peak load) makes no sense. False advertisement doesn’t work well IRL, and yet the mistral keeps being sold. The head of project at matra (René Carpentier) stated himself the first version can pull 25G to hit a target maneuvering at 8G. Assuming its average (and therefore actual) overload is only 16G, it can’t do that, and gaijin’s explanation contradicts René Carpentier’s explanation.
The same applies for the stinger, with the Defense Intelligence Agency stating an effective (and therefore average, not peak) 22G overload
Both from a theorical and physical point of view, their explanation is flawed.
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If you want to see max g, igla would be 16 because 10.2 is average.
Is that okay with you? You’ll never dodge it then
22g yes, of course. If you can provide any primary evidence that the igla can pull 16gs, if not im sorry to say you should stay with 10gs.
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The developer has already provided in the post itself a formula for converting average g’s to maximum g’s. For igla it is 100% correct.
I have seen different numbers for stinger and 20 and 22.
no, read again
The igla uses a bang bang control method. Basically, the fins are steered in the desired direction only when they are properly aligned with airflow, while the mistral and stinger use a more precise PID, meaning the steering is not done in a binary way (steering position / neutral position) but is more progressive, here read this post
Therefore the igla is, according to first hand russian documentation, correct in its current form.
Now if you have any sources stating otherwise, you can make a bug report, however, this has little to do with the stinger and mistral performances.
Thats not a primary source bro. Can you prove with documentation that the igla can pull 16gs?
The igla paperwork says 10.2 average g. The maximum can be calculated by the formula that justified the developer.
You want one missile to write max g, and the other average g
If you do not agree, we will ponerfim Armor tanks, which it is not specified in centimeters, because we will not bring all to one value.
Converting one value to another does not require paperwork if there is a formula.
How do you know the igla can actual pull 16g? How do you know that there isnt a limitation on stress or seeker that prevents it or not of pulling 16g? Is there anywhere else on the manufacturer or russian/soviet MoD that says it can pull 16gs?
We have yet again run into a circular problem of me having to remind you that the issue with this blog is that they don’t actually know this for sure. They “guessed” and “assumed” using their own napkin math. This blog they provided is nothing better than deflection, they outright ignore sourcing material based on their own conclusion.
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i laugh when ppl say theres no russian bias in this game.
apds normalization that gave +1º than the plate of the t54 back in the day
the russian tank barrels having more hp
the is6 issue
the wood log in the back of russian tanks having more effectiveness than rha
russian side skirts made of era that eat apfsds
the overperforming aphe
not modeling renerative steering that favoures lighter tanks (russian)
and so many others. it all comes down to this dev blog where they admit to actually making russian gear stronger by making the competition trash.
this was never a fair game but at least now they admit it…
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Comparing apples to oranges wont do you any good. Where is the primary or secondary source of the iglas’s 16g
You said it right about the apples. That’s why all rockets have average overload or maximum overload, but not average for one and maximum for the others
You cannot do that with fucking missile systems. They are obviously different in its functionalities, mechanics, number of stabilization fins and so on. If you make a comparison of that it only shows how lacking on basic logic you are. It’s the same as saying well, I have this Volkswagen Beetle and this AMG GT-R, both have wheels and a engine. If i put the same engine on both they go on the same speed and turn the same… thats just stupid.
The developer according to igla documents calculated that if the average overload is 10.2g, the maximum is 16g.
Can you refute this?
And it was explained that due to the Iglas use of Bang-Bang control methods, it is less efficient than PID steering. Have you actually read the thread at all?
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Yes. They dont have documentation evidence that the missile is able to track targets turning 16gs. They dont have evidence of the missile being capable of 16g’s maximum overload at all. For all we know the maximum could be anything from 10 to 16gs but there is nothing on the papers of the missile that says it can do 16g
That’s why it has a max of 16g and not 22.
Does that make sense?