But, and in defence of gaijing for that one, not only for balance reason, but a human reload will always depend on many factors. From the loader experience, to his exhaustion, to if the tank is moving, even how hot/uncomfortable it is in the turret…
If we started allowing for these kind of reloads, then we’d go down a rabbit hole of potential mechanics to model how reloads might get slower and slower the more you shot/the battle last, and I don’t think that would be interesting gameplay wise
Igla uses bang-bang but they still use its performance as the “”'“evidence”“” to gimp NATO MANPADS
Absolutely incredible.
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Wait till they hear about the rim 116 rolling body missile
Meanwhile in an alternate universe, Gaijin the US game maker writes the same dev blog about how R-73 can’t possibly achieve HOBS shots since the 9M can’t do it
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Their manpads are Mistrals.
I remember back in 2019 when all manpads pulled 18g. igla was pretty much ty90 except the planes you shot at were subsonic korean war jets with no flares to speak of lol. Not ashamed to admit id sit at the back of map with mi28n x8 igla and wipe out other teams cas effort
I’m far from asking we should have 3 second reload for the centurion. But them explaining how they nerf the manpads because of their “experts” decision is just bullshit. It’s purely due to their warped view of balance that they try and shelve. I say they just balance things through the br of the vehicle and not their biased as shit view as from all the evidence we have it shouldn’t be biased of what gaijin wants as they are very biased. Don’t take me Too seriously as I am quite waisted and so my spelling and reasoning are out the window.
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So 63% of this max available overload is 6.4. You’re saying that the 9M39 should have only 6.4 G of pull in game based on the math and then why is that not reflected in game?
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lol i dont think thats what they are saying
NW. I just think the reload arguments are not similar to the MANPADs situation. Loading is very much human dependent, and they said they considered it for balancing (heck, even half of the French autoloaders at 6s should actually be 4s).
If you want to make another comparaison, most armor for NATO tanks (including the M1 lol) would fall in this category. Gaijing usually models armor correctly and then balance the br accordingly (or so they want us to think), so not implementing well written reports because “much but transmission” is pretty scummy.
Mistral & Stinger should be improved if we get sources that prove they are incorrect in War Thunder.
Mistral & Stinger should be improved if they’re inaccurate.
As for your defense of Russian equipment…
This is a Manpad thread.
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Reminder to ignore trolls in general and people who seek to derail threads because the consensus is not going the “right” way.
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Now you guys have to stop complaining unless if you can actually bring any real sources to the table. 270 replies with almost no one bringing anything, many people lying about the capabilities of stinger and then some people proving that stinger is indeed not as good as they thought it would be.
Just cause they were wrong on their defense of Russian equipment doesn’t mean they are trolling or trying to derail us.
Stinger & Mistral should be improved regardless, if we have sources that can cause improvement.
About the yak 141 getting the ho229 treatment, I’d add that not all vehicles get it. The Mirage 4000 (which I won’t ask for any significant buffs as it is already great) would have access to 8 more GBUs, and a thermal targeting pod if he had had the same treatment. As for the 2S38, I was under the impression that 2Sxx were anti air vehicles, so that it should have the same treatment as the otomatic.
As for it going to 9.3 without APFSDS, I would completely disagree. the APHE is still very usable against tanks, and the HEVT is deadly, in some ways even better than the M247 thanks to the large caliber and extremely accurate IR tracking.
Also, tank designations are all over the place. The ELC Bis is still considered a TD without the ability to scout, when things like the ASU57, which is by deigned supposed to perform the EXACT same missions (air dropped, reconnaissance vehicles) is considered a TD BUT has access to scout and (I believe) artillery.
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This is the math we’ve been needing.
Thank you FrenchArtist.
I’m bad at this inertial math personally which is why I avoided this topic.
However, you need to get multiple math people to independently come to the same conclusion for a number of secondary sources.
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Have you ever heard of the story of Metro 2?
“The Invisible Watchers are a legend among the Metro inhabitants. The legend says that they roam Metro-2, observing and directing the Metro inhabitants’ every move”
What? There’s no such thing as force momentum, if there’s no force being applied, then there can be no relevant G-load. That’s like saying a rocket that’s accelerating forward at 5G, and cuts off its engine (meaning its thrust is instantly zero newton) will take a non zero amount of time to go from 5G to 0G. In other words that the rocket would continue to gain forward speed despite its engine giving it zero thrust
Any acceleration that’s still measured in your plane scenario would either be from instrument accuracy or from control surfaces taking some time to return to neutral
Scout missing from ELC BIS is sad; I’d prefer it to have scouting personally. Though there are a number of vehicles that lack scouting where other similar vehicle have it.
2S38 doesn’t have a search radar, but if it did I’d say it’s 9.7 capable. There are no 10.0 proxy-round gun-only SPAAs in War Thunder that don’t have an APFSDS round. 2S38 being called anti-air is a popular thing among some people because they either want its spawn points to reduce or its BR to reduce.
OTOMATIC is over-BR’d, and it’s that BR exclusively because of its APFSDS, not because of its anti-air performance. OTOMATIC is a 9.7 - 10.3 anti-air with ridiculous APFSDS.
As for thermal pod; I’d love it to be thermal just as you. It getting any pod is equal treatment in a vacuum though.
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Yeah, I mean, not like we’ve ever seen the Stinger missile leave the tube and instantly track its target and lead trajectory when your not directly pointed at your target. (This was sarcasm if you couldn’t tell (because some people can’t))
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