You’re free to believe whatever you want.
Buffing them doesn’t bring you anything good because those AAs will then fight better CAS, considering such a significant buff would make them skyrocket in BR.
strela is 10.3 it is still better than a buffed stinger at taking out aircraft as its harder to flare and has longer lock range and range overall. lav wouldnt go up as stingers are useless against 10.3 aircraft that arent blind. this is it.
Strela is basically a bathtub that has missiles strapped to it. If Stingers received all of their buffs they would definitely be on par, which would put them way higher up than Strela because of other things they have.
Thinking that LAV-AD wouldn’t go up after the buff is ridiculously delusional.
No problem, but thanks should mainly go to the guy that figured it out and wrote the bug report. I was on the same page as you until that point. Take a look at the patent from the report, it has some nice graphs on what the control surfaces actually do and what overload that results in.
I don’t care too much, but if they want to do that they should just say that they’re keeping it nerfed for gameplay purposes. The entire point of this thread was to provide an explanation of why they think their interpretation of the data is the realistic one, and it turns out it just isn’t.
In terms of gameplay impact, it’d really only hurt the Ozelot and Gepard 1A2, I think. And personally, I’m not much of a fan of low BR fire and forget SAMs in the first place. The LAV-AD would probably have to go up a bit, but the main US lineup is 10.7 anyways. And the helicopters would really benefit from having anti air missiles that are decent, the Stinger completely falls off a cliff at top tier.
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i dont think you have put the slightest bit of thought into what youre saying lmao, the lavad is at the tier it is because of its Anti Tank capability, against aircraft its wholly outmatched but just about every other anti air at the br, if stingers got fixed it would just mean its better against aircraft which would do absolutely nothing to make it go up in br because its perfectly in line with other systems, and again the strela would be better because it has both more lock range and better flare resistance.
did you think about this for more than 2 seconds?
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It’s at the current BR because of it’s overall performance, both against air and ground included.
Giving Stingers a really sizeable buff would result in LAV-AD performing better overall, thus getting it’s BR increased.
I suggest you read up on how Gaijin balances vehicles in this game before spewing out ignorant statements.
nope against Air targets its equal to the 9.7 machbet lmao.
my brother in christ, the lavad is currently 10.0, the strela is 10.3, thats where it would go, no higher. the lavad performs abysmally in the air to air role, stats shows that, and in the ground to ground role it has pretty abysmal stats much the same.
youre talking absolute nonsense if you genuinely think buffing stingers to be slightly worse than strelas would mean lavad would jump 10.7+.
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They just care about the illusion of accuracy more than actual accuracy. If people believe misinformation enough that the average person thinks it’s true, that’s alright with them.
F-16AJ as example
The “F-16AJ” in-game is based on the latest F-16J proposal competing with the F-15J. It was never built or tested, but based on unrelated earlier Sparrow tests for the F-16 that at the time were discarded by the USAF.
This would’ve been a variant of the early F-16 integrating many changes based on the YF-16 Sparrow testbed with the goal of matching Japans requirements that got the basic F-16 disqualified by this point. For this the capability to carry a loadout of eight air to air missiles (4x IR, 4x SARH) was required and the multirole capability and low cost were meant to outcompete the F-15J and F-14JMost obvious issues in game are that instead of an F-16AJ model it uses the basic Block 10, it’s missing half of the SARH missile loadout, it’s missing TV guided GBU-8 bombs despite those being on other early F-16s and the F-16J brochure and it uses the F100-PW-220 engine that didn’t exist at the time instead of the accurate F100-PW-200 found in actual F-16s then.
Still, when many of these issues were called out, they put out this statement, talking about prototypes that didn’t exist (confused with YF-16 Sparrow tests) and altering it based on the F-16ADF that wouldn’t even start development until a decade later for an entirely different purpose than the F-16J.
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going from 10.0 to 11.0 doesn’t make sense considering the 2S6 stands at 10.7. Worst case is that it goes to 10.7. Most likely, it would go to 10.3. And if it still over performs, then it would go up in BR.
BR changes increment by 0.3. That’s what they’ve done for the majority of vehicles introduced. The only exception I can think of is the BMPT which went from 10.3->10.7->11.3->11.7. So unless you think the stinger change will bring the LAVAD to the same level as the BMPT in terms of it being unbalanced, I highly doubt it would get a full BR raise.
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Read my sentence again.
Stingers being slightly worse than Strela would definitely put LAV-AD at 11.0 as it’s far more than just an empty shell, unlike Strela.
Not even that much. Properly modeled Stingers wouldnt be any better than the Strela at 10.3, and I would be hardpressed to figure out why they would go above 10.0, where things like the Stormer AD and LAV-AD are already
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BMPT moved up by four BR steps.
Yes and each time it was moved up, it was monitored closely to see if it even needing raising in BR which is the point I’m making here. It won’t jump to 10.7 without Gaijin monitoring the vehicle first.
I’m curious why do you think it’s 11.0 material?
I never said it needs to jump to 11.0 in a single update, as monitoring things throughout the months and moving them up step by step is always better and safer.
It really depends how strong Stingers would be in comparison to Strela.
If they’re extremely similar, then all of the LAV’s auxiliaries it offers over Strela definitely are worth more than a single BR step.
If all its “auxiliaries” were good enough to justify it being higher then it would already be higher. Looking at something like the Falcon, only really at 8.3 and not 7.3 because of its “auxiliaries” performance.
The only thing of factor to consider then is the Anti-Air performance. In this case Stinger vs Strela.
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This is already why its 10.0 there is no reason why they would become more valuable if stingers were buffed…
As i said the AA perfomance is IDENTICAL to the machbet, arguably worse than the Gepard 1a2.
What ?
LAV-AD is definitely higher now than what it would’ve been without them.
Vehicle as a whole would be more valuable with Stingers getting buffed, I have no idea how you still can’t wrap your head around this simple thing.