Well, then your shell will penetrate here.
It does not. The protection offered is 365mm, the shell is only able to penetrate 330mm. Whereas if the armour was correctly modelled at 330-333mm against long rods. The m111 shell would have a chance at penetration at very close range, subject to slight descrepenancies in the modelling of M111 itself.
Why do you think that 405 is before applying the slope effect?
Because this is the case for all russian armour values quoted.
That unknown fragment (I don’t know what source it is) says “M111 equivalent - 405mm.”
Why do you suddenly conclude that you should reduce this number by anything? I don’t quite understand the “well, because” answer.
Additionally because 405mm after slope effect would mean M111 would never penetrate ever… which is clearly not the case historically
Because it tells you the penetrative limit for M111 is 1428m/s, below this, the round will not reliably penetrate the armour. M111’s penetrative effect is only around 335mm. When account for long rod effects, the 405mm reduces to 333mm, you can see how there is now a very slight margin for the armour to be overcome.
Do you know what a “conditional damage” is?
Does it bother you that you expect the additional armor installed on the tank to protect it from the M111 to be ineffective even at 300 meters?
Does this make sense?
Yes, because before the additional armour, the armour was easily overcome at battle ranges by M111.
https://btvt.info/3attackdefensemobility/armor.htm
In game the armour is so strong that without the extra plate it is able to stop M111. So why was it developed.
Will you answer the question? You read websites and draw completely wrong conclusions because you don’t even understand what’s being said.
Well my understanding is that the condition is the strike velocity, thus conditional damage would occur if the strike velocity is reached.
And you?
So why did they make an armor upgrade that doesn’t change anything based on your expectations?
Perhaps they should have welded on 30mm, like on the T-80B or T-64B? Or even more?
Maybe the problem is that you don’t know what “conditional damage” means?
Which t72 are you using, because the one with the extra plate, iirc historically it was able to defeat the m111
No
3.5 conditioned damage: No penetration of weapons and secondary damaging elements behind the rear side of the vehicle’s armor protection.
Conditional damage for example:
The change was a result of M111 being tested by russia.
Exactly? So the speed at which no damage is dealt is 1428m/s, above which damage… would occur. Hence why its conditional. Whether it is the last point of successful armour or the first point of armour breach varies between countries. It’s a minor difference.
In the game, armor penetration is defined as penetration of any part of a projectile through the armor, but in real life, this is a rather vague concept.
There are conditinal and unconditinal damage types, but even unacceptable damage doesn’t mean the projectile has actually penetrated the armor.
For example, a through crack is considered conditinal damage even if the armor isn’t actually penetrated.
For example - unconditional damage, cause crack
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According to a russian textbook, there is a conversion from condiitonal damage to effective thickness, going from 405mm->430mm. So the 430 is thus 360mm against long rod. Which provides adequate protection vs M111. Apologies i made slight mistake before. However the point still stands.