Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

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The developers are well aware of these facts, so the T-72A’s armor seems very accurate to me.

The armor of the T-80BV/U and T-72B raises a few more questions.

For example, the T-72B had different armor packages, and the game features the latest one.

I’ve seen estimates of 530-600 and 550-620. The game has 530, which is the minimum.

For the T-80BV and U, there are suggestions that the T-80U should have armor made of 50-30-50 steel, but its durability, taking into account Kontakt-5, should not be much lower than the current level (620-630 according to some sources), while it currently stands at 630-640.

Research into this area could yield interesting results.

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Given the M111 is not effective against the basic T-72A array, i believe it is overperforming by 20mm or so.

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It’s 120 - 140mm in real life as far as I am aware, but that isn’t really that important considering the beak seems to be a Gaijin’s way of keeping the main composite underperforming to a degree of “what the hell were they thinking” considering D-technology was capable of providing 650mm RHAe KE by itself when put into the hull, and we don’t have that in the game…

Even then, 2A7Vs armor is still massively underperforming :P

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If you calculated the T-72A’s armor with a 16mm weld, then you’re obviously familiar with the armor without it.

You can’t magically calculate that a 16mm weld will yield 50mm of equivalent armor.

I don’t think you can prove it.

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Fun fact: this armor was put into Leopard 2A5s turrets from the get-go, and according to German documents, C-technology should perform vastly better than it currently does in the game, as it was tested against KE munitions capable of perforating 480mm RHAe and it stopped them as of 1988 i.e after it finished development, currently in WT it only provides ~430mm (due to Gaijin using sources that were made before it could properly finish development).

2A7V in game has C tech armour

It can be proven that the 2A7V has D tech and how much better it is

“It can” is a forgone conclusion, it has been proven how much it offers multiple times, Gaijin is just insistent that it doesn’t exist (“We believe it is a clear marketing lie” lmao) even though German documents very clearly state it does as a main armor package.

Such a snippet is of no value. You can simply take a screenshot of any desired values.

I was talking about something that could actually be studied.

I’ve never seen a decent argument. Could you give me a link to a specialized topic, I’ll check it out.

Feel free to hit up BAAINBw by yourself(!), that is what BMVg demanded from Clouth, KM, IBD and B&V, oh and also, don’t ask me in DM’s for the full source like you did with DM53/63s technical drawing lmao, I was genuinely close to reporting you to community managers seeing as you were fishing for a classified source :)

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As you said. combination effects. But also, 16mm at 68 degrees is 43mm thick, it was a high hardness steel which is 1.25x, but KE is 1.2x efficient at that angle, thus the improvement is 1.042x, whic gives us a 45mm improvement.

You also need to take into account the slope effect. It will reduce the effectiveness of sloped armor.

Therefore, 16mm of steel will yield approximately 40mm of effective thickness. This is true in the game.

I don’t need any classified sources. I asked you if you could cite a source (obviously, within acceptable limits).

A 30x60 pixel screenshot with just numbers doesn’t convince me.

There’s always the option of using open sources.

Yeah they were just working on the D tech armour since the 90s and never put it into any tank especially the one that proven to have it

Conversation isn’t worth it

Funnily tho, “D-tech” is a misnomer lol

I.prefer D tech as it fits

I also believe the British refered to it as such (That might be C tech)

The source DOESN’T have a name, that’s the point :P

A 30x60 pixel screenshot with just numbers doesn’t convince me.

Cool.

There’s always the option of using open sources.

Leopard 2A7V by Frank Lobitz, used in dozens of bug reports.

Can I see any of them?

As far as I am aware, D-tech was a foreign borne name, even B-tech and C-tech were never used by the BW, they had different designations internally.