Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

these two are IFVs with 130 maximum pen , making the range finder for a IFV tier 1 is like extending the grind . I am not going to snipe MBTs from a kilometer away with a 25mm auto cannon

oh well…
I mean that even worst made me wonder why AJS-37 title as “Strike Aircraft” sitting at 11.3 but still using AGM-65A

russian ERA and armor being way over modeled has been in bug reports for years. They are absolutely not going to fix it. They won’t even give tanks their proper ammunition which defeats era or helicopters their proper armaments to fight off russian tanks. Their is no way they are going to correct this. It would hurt the fragility of the no skill tree too badly.

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the 2nd best SPAA behind TOR-M1 once over-correction is fixed.
Soviets is what we get when player skill exists beyond the capabilities of the vehicles.

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Pretty much. I gave him an offer on a bet, but he refuses to take me up on it. That is probably all you need to know. I am serious by the way. I would love for him to take me up on it.

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Cause that’s the way Gaijin decided to make it.
Sweden isn’t missing its ERA or APS systems.
Just in the same manner that T-72A isn’t missing anything.

@ACOMETS
I know, but right now I’m coping with the fact that USA has all the superior players and are winning 72% of the matches at 10.7 air.

@D00MBrInG3r777
I wish DocUSMC was as thorough as I am, & listened as well as I do.

asking myself the same…

Cause Sweden IRL are weens.
@DocUSMC
I’ve dodged no on-topic questions.
Criticizing incorrect aspects of the game is not shilling, please use words correctly.
And gambling is a game rules as well as law violation. On top of being trash.

@D00MBrInG3r777
Currently there’s no nation bias.
You want to boycott to cause nation bias…
Toxic.

You have dodged.

And you just did again. “Because sweeden are weens IRL” isn’t an answer.

I think this is the end of you for me. You are clearly a shill for the company, with no intelligent answers to the obvious bias in this game. Your only purpose here is to play coy and make up excuses and avoid actual issues.

Your toxicity won’t be my problem in the future.

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Hahaha, make me laugh even more!

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It is. Sweden IRL never purchased more than As and maybe Bs.
Thus it answers the question on why there’s only As/Bs on AJS-37.

My bias is toward America since I’m American, but my autistic self loves all machinery equally.

Calling people toxic for helping improve the game? lol

I perma blocked him.

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When Russian mains don’t realize that doing this makes refuting their incorrect points easier when they can no longer defend their position.

the penetration on the AGMs was 1250 on the dev server at one point, then they nerfed it.

There are man I don’t know why you not feel it and I’m not going to ask.
As i remember something like this happen before
Back before even Leopard 2A6 are in the game when T-72B3 and KA50 was dominating the problem exist for years that Russia dominated because noone lineup can compete with it
Until Leopard 2A6 came and put stop to their domination.(maybe a little bit too hard I suppose)
Shortly after that Russia got T-80BVM

Also for other case MiG-27K dominating for years which make just one side stomp until Harrier GR7 came and made Russia taste of their own medicine but two time worst
Guess what
Shortly after they got Pantsir despite no nation in the game can counter GR7 but Russia be the first that can despite Japan Italy and Israel still don’t have proper SAM (feel deja vu yet? That right when 2S6 was introduced)
All of these are coincidence i guess not
And for some reason Russians tank also stop spalling for some reason
And if this continues Boycott are imminent that for sure
There ways to fix these problem but just Gaijin don’t care

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I’ve been playing this game since 2013.
I lived through claims of “America bias”, “German bias”, “Japan bias”, “Swedish bias”, and now “Russian bias”.
I’ve experienced first hand the toxic assumptions individuals make to cope.

I remember starkly killing 3, yes 3, Ka-50s equipped with S?-13s on Carpathians using my M1A1 Abrams.
Mig-27K was added long after F-4E and F-5E, two notable CAS. Mig-27K was a catch-up plane, a jet that allowed Soviets to have equivalent CAS to other nations, and is still their sole fast CAS at the top end.
My memory is strong enough to remember these details.
2A6 “dominated” but people learned very quickly how to deal with it.
And when BVM was added, I myself learned very quickly how to deal with it, but it seems the community forgot to do that part of the process.

Pantsir came because of the SACLOS physics changes that came WITH Pantsir. 2S6 was turning into a Roland with longer range, and Pantsir was required to give Soviets a top end vehicle.
Turns out Pantsir isn’t that great. TOR-M1 is miles better.

Japan has exactly 1 domestic SPAA left, and it doesn’t get a search radar. On top of that its IR tracking backup is a separate module, so Gaijin has to figure out how to mount that to the vehicle since Japan doesn’t indicate how that’s done.
Israel IDK what has, I forgot. If Israel got Turkey they’d get a Pantsir themselves, but without a sub-tree I forget if I found anything on-par with ITO, TOR-M1, and Pantsir.

T-80BVM spalls for me, so IDK what you’re experiencing.

Why would a boycott happen if there continues to be NO NATION BIAS?
That’s silly.

I understand your frustration, and it’s not because of nation bias.

That what you feel ofc nothings wrong about individual feeling
But other didn’t feel like that and most of them are frustrating
It’s okay if you don’t see the problem i get it
But you still can’t deny the fact that most of players are saying that there are problem with bias
And if many people see and say the same problem it mean something wrong for example
Like you buy some goods in store shop like sun screen you use it and nothing wrong with you due to being different or something idk
But hundred of people use the same sunscreen as you but still get sun burned ofc there gonna be something wrong with that sunscreen

I accept that players that blame nations rather than the dynamics of skills & team makeup are attempting to find an answer as quickly as possible.

That answer is incorrect, and all I can do is incentivize people to look for a far more concise answer that makes more sense.

My thought behind teams doing better or worse is team makeup, the mindset of the people within the match, and the skill level of everyone involved.

This is based on my understanding of psychology, competitive tactics from my past, and vehicle capabilities.

Yes, people are having a problem killing tanks from many nations.
People have issues killing Strv 122s, KV-1E/B, M4A2, Maus, T-80BVM, Object 279, Chieftain Mk10, Black Prince, Tiger 2H, et cetera.
I accept that part as well.

I am not saying there is an issue with War Thunder, all I am saying is the issue isn’t bias toward any nation within War Thunder.


Let’s talk about why Gaijin keeps win rates secret.
I know exactly why they do this… cause only arcade battles is fully mixed.
In a nation v nation game where you have full control over the nation you play, you can dictate who you play with even if you’re not in a planned squad.
If I knew Abrams was having a 70% win-rate one hour, I could exclusively play Abrams to play with those skilled players to stat-pad.

That is why win rates must always remain secret.
But it is the major flaw of War Thunder.
The nation v nation nature of War Thunder means wherever the most skilled players flock to will do better.
It happened with Abrams, Strv 122, Leopard A1A1 L/44, and so forth.
Right now it might be happening with T-80BVM. IDK, my last ~20 battles in BVM this month have been a nearly equal 50:50 win to loss as I was seeing how many times my ammo cooked off when hit in random battles.

Win rates aren’t secret by any means, nothing is stopping a census of all account’s stats being performed stats being collated to come to actual conclusions.

There is a massive flaw in your supposition, it assumes that Gaijin has no control over anything other than the BR placement of a vehicle, and that they care more about a given vehicles performance than that of the average player as a whole.

We know WT tracks a form of SBMM (ELO) wich could easily be used to assign teams within a match, not in order to provide a fair chance of wining, but to enforce a Global 50% win rate, which can potentially be further skewed by team / spawn determination based on unfair map design(e.g North / South team for Domination on Port Novorossiysk )as to suit the optimal rate of meta progression per hour.

Also with the lineup based modes battles can be registered either way, and the fact that multiple respawns(universal backups) are possible allows for stats to distorted in some ways, which can’t easily be accounted for and that the lineup and use of particular vehicles may be predisposed to a particular progress though a battle which may not eventuate all of the time (e.g. SPAA tends to be spawned either as a last spawn, or after getting attacked / noticing multiple aircraft, 3rd line tanks won’t often get spawned on a loss due to lacking SP to spawn them due to an early death or being spent on aircraft, etc.)