Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

Effective range of 2S38 is 4km against helicopters, not 7. 3.5 against head-on jets.

Chemical penetration isn’t the same as APFSDS, which confirms you don’t work in ballistics.
Thanks for confirming my earlier suspicions.

@tripod2008
No Soviet tank has thermals that it shouldn’t.

@ARK_BOI
AJS-37 has Mavericks and a higher thrust. Mig-27K is not “miles better”.
Miles better is Tornado IDS.

None, because no SPAA in WT can hit a fixed wing target at 18km.
2S6 is better than ASRAD against helicopters.

Gripen is infinitely better as CAS than Mig-27K, which is why I support it.

saying the Tornado is “miles better” proves how little you know about it

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Since Sweden and Finland are grouped together. They should be getting:

F35
F18

Saab 35 Series.

Mig 15
IL28

Since russia likes to implement itself with things that were merely tests and not used (object 279) they should also have already been outfitted with the Mig 29 since they tested it.

No one wants a Copy paste vehicle. Obj 279 is a unique vehicle thats why it was added.But it has questionable survivability.Real one probably would have much worse armor than the in game one

They can have F18,F35 but just because they tested MIG 29 doesnt mean they should get it

Wrong as I have killed air vehicles beyond 4km with this very tank in game. Especially drones.

I quoted your numbers from in the game, which we all know are incorrectly modeled and played. Your assumption is wrong. However I would be willing to make a wager here. If I do work in ballistics, bet your game on it. You will delete your account and never return to the game or forums again and pay me $1000 if I can prove your assumption about my job wrong. If you are right, I will give you $1000, I will delete my game, and never return to the forums or game again. Care to take a wager?

Put your money where your mouth is kid.

Pantsir can. Which is why its great at spawn camping since CAS doesn’t get spawn protection.

The T-80B / T-80U have the wrong features for their naming convention(s) with Agava-1 / -2, the engine and APS leading to a mix of configurations, or one off prototypes.

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Tornado is miles better than Mig-27K, I say that having used both.
Thermal pod, same amount of bombs, as fast.

@DocUSMC
Killing aircraft beyond effective range doesn’t change teh effective range.
And no, APFSDS in WT is accurate.
I stopped believing you work in ballistics many many posts ago.
Especially when you argued that 850 chemical pen is anywhere near equivalent to say 680mm of kinetic pen of M829A2.
And no, Pantsir can’t hit me from 18km away, can’t even from 13km away.

@tripod2008
T-80U has its correct thermals.
And T-80B has the drop-in thermals.
APS is absent on both.

@Miraz05
Why is USSR the worst?
Explain it to us since you posted it.

he neversaid that USSR is the worst

Correct, he posted it.
He’s the first one this day I’ve seen someone post they’re the worst.
I personally think Italy is in a worse situation.

there are lots of draws back on Maverick to be consider as good AGM it racks a damage hardly to kill MBTs in one hit 51.19 of TNT equivalent on direct hit should do the trick but it’s not compare to thing Mig 27K carry like Kh-25/29 that not randomly explode midair laser guide make it easier to score kill even lost lock or target die it still can switch the target as long as missile still in the air
and AJS-37 carry Maverick B which is TV guided not very accurate and can’t use at night and even if it hit are lot of time it not kill MBT which is Kh-25/29 can do without problem (and both of them faster than Mav) only thing Mav better are fire and forget it just like gambling you shoot it and it depend on luck that it when hit it or not or if it hit target will die or not let just say that MiG-27K are better at CAS role but AJS-37 are better at fighter role would make more sense

Can’t but still possible (even chance is so little) if target not aware any other SPAA also can’t hit at max range too but it still possible.

You have a point with damage against tanks, and that’s due to all tanks being buffed across the board to deal with CAS better.

speed is irrelevant at that BR, since everybody is as fast as you or in the cas of the Mig-29 is even faster, and you interestingly forget that the Tornado turns worse than an F-104, which is not known for its agility.
having thermals is sure nice but the Tornado doesnt have 13km fnf agms, it has GBU which it has to lase the whole time until it gets to the target, calling it “miles better” is delusional

I dont have the Mig-27K thats true but I too have the Tornado and what you tell me doesnt comply with any experience I had.

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And F-16 is faster than a Mig-27K, your point?

@AlvisWisla No word on my bet? Lets play!

Also, explain to me this. Go to the russian tree. Where is the Laser Range Finder? Its a T2 Mod. The Laser Range Finder is a T4 mod for USA, Germany, Britain, & Sweden. But it strangely sits at T2 for russia. I will add that the LWS/LR is a T2 mod for other countries, but I am talking strictly about the LRF solo module. Why isn’t it T4 for russia like it is other nations?

you didnt but ok

Spoiler

Tier 2:

Tier 1:

On top of that, thermals are tier 4 on most Soviet equipment, but lower on other tech trees.

Modification position doesn’t matter too much, and has nothing to do with alleged bias.

and it is a 12.0 plane , Mig-27K is 11.3

You didn’t answer my question. Why is the LRF a T2 Mod for all of russia, but a T4 mod for all of Sweden?

Sweden doesn’t even have its correct LRW/LR where it is supposed to. But nice dodge. Why is it T2 for russia and T4 for other nations? Why is Sweden missing its ERA and APS systems? They are not alone either, and my question still stands. russia is getting the LRF at a much lower tier vs other nations for the most part.

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I’m so glad that many people are on board with this problem. Hopefully, someone is looking into this so they fix the balance in the top tier!!!