are they still bugged in TWS? Otherwise, sure they don’t give warning, just a smoke trail the length of the map
Are you just going to skip over that you have to go through the ITPVS90 before you get to the Veak at 8.7? Which does not have proximity fuses? Are you also going to ignore that Sweden has to wait until 8.7 to get RADAR SPAA despite russia getting it at 7.7?
You also never answered my question as to why the Mavericks are missing on the Cobra and Apache yet nothing is missing on the Havoc and Hind?
You also never answered my question as to why, in the video I sent you, ammo detonated 12 out of 12 times on no russian vehicles but 0 out of 12 times on russian vehicles with a carousel on a direct hit. 'I would love an explanation on this. The same vehicle was used to demonstrate both with the same ammo. So the results should have been equal yet russia had a clear failure to detonate given the same scenario.
I am also still waiting on you to explain to me why USA, Sweden, and Britain do not have proxy ammo. The US M42(4.3) used proxy ammunition IRL but its oddly missing in game. Yet china (shill russian tree) has it before the US does.
Also one more thing. If you can explain to me why in the Swedish tree you have to research and use the 8.3 BR UDES 33 before you can get to the 8.0 BR Pvrbv 551?
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The point was more that the 300lb Warhead is designed to optimize post penetration effects against large armored targets (e.g. a bunker / ship), and so has a relatively low fill ratio of ~25% in order to retain sufficient penetration at lower impact velocities and long ranges. Which has no impact in WT currently due to the fact that bomb penetration isn’t modeled, though is planned and even if it was present isn’t to useful against tanks for the most part due to centroid tracking.
With the 1 per station (due to only being cleared for carriage on the LAU-117/A) limit imposed by the 300lb warhead equipt variants, the AGM-65 is comparatively worse than its Russian counterpart(s) [Kh-25 / Kh-29, with 260lb(82mm pen) / 328lb (84mm) explosive mass respectively] since the AP jacket effectively becomes dead weight since only HE mass matters for penetration calculations and subsequently kill radius (allowable miss radius) is significantly smaller even with a optimistic Re factor of 1.5 (probably closer to 1.1 ~ 1.3 or so) giving a 120lb TNTe its not even half the explosive mass so will be noticeably smaller. you would be better off taking an AGM-12 equipt aircraft which makes no sense.
This matters significantly due to the way guidance has been implemented (and the lack of Targeting pods and SALH seeker variants so having no way of providing post release control like you can with the -L variants of the Kh-25 & -29) meaning that near misses happen often especially against light targets, and subsequently that they will survive more frequently due to said issues.
This is further complicated by the deliberate decisions surrounding the modeling of the HEAT warhead, which is obviously designed for taking on tactical targets, but can’t due to poor modeling and deliberate decisions.
- HEAT shells are capped to 30mm of overpressure penetration and it just so happens that Russian turret rooves are 30~45mm thick so are unaffected due to reasons
- The penetration should be on the order of 1300~1500mm RHA (is 830mm) and due to having a ~280mm diameter charge should be much more destructive and be more than capable of dealing with most NERA / ERA arrays even with direct hit to the turrets of most tanks.
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That makes sense, but their is no way they are going to willfully address this. This would fix issues when facing off against russian vehicles and chinese vehicles more than other nations. Knowing how the devs operate in this game, their is no way this is anywhere near on the agenda to get fixed.
Since they are purposefully neglecting and underpowering other nations munitions to benefit russia, how is that going to play out as the AAMRAMs and modern Sidewinders (which can be data linked for control by other sources besides the one that fires them) going to be neglected as well?
Also why are we missing ground targeting? Shouldn’t the tanks be able to laser vehicles for CAS? This isn’t new, and many tanks are missing this feature.
You think players spot the smoke trail from 50km away?
And nah, they were fixed in TWS a long time ago.
VEAK does have proximity fuse ammo, I have it loaded.
As for the ITPVS90, that’s on a Leo 2 chassis.
There’s no evidence Apaches or non-modified AH-1Js could use Mavericks.
Nothing is missing on the Apaches & Cobras we have in game.
I posted videos of Soviet tanks exploding in first shot MBTs, and within 5 for IFV guns.
All the videos I’ve seen from you guys are all from last year.
USA has proximity ammo, on M247.
And M42’s proximity ammo is a later thing, a second variant of the M42 could be added.
Pvrbv 551 is worse, and UDES’s position will change when vehicle foldering starts.
@ARK_BOI
Sweden has the best MBTs in the game, the best light tank in the game, a good helicopter, good CAS [tho isn’t as good as other western CAS right now], the 2nd best SPAA behind TOR-M1 once over-correction is fixed.
Best lineups =/= having skilled players.
Soviets is what we get when player skill exists beyond the capabilities of the vehicles.
After all, Soviet MBT lineup is almost identical to America’s, except America gets a 2nd 11.7.
to be fair even tho China is mostly a copy cat of russia their Type 99A doesnt perform remotely as good as the T-80BVM does, its protection is much weaker, in comparison, and it doesnt have magic ERA on the side which will absorb shots.
You really like dodging the question don’t you?
This is the second SPAA you get after the ITPVS90 which DOES NOT have it but is still at 8.7, 1 full BR higher than the russians. So you have to go through two full vehicles at a single BR. So without dodging the question, how does this make sense when china gets it at 8.0. The US should have it at 4.2. Yet here we are with russia leading the way…
Answer is simple. russian bias, and deliberately denying nations to keep themselves on easy mode.
Now you are just straight up lying. I gave you multiple sources for this. I provided you with photos of them being fired. I provided you with the name of a pilot and his AH-1J cobra with multiple confirmed kills using mavericks off the Cobras. They are missing. Keep playing stupid.
The video I sent you was 5 months ago.
The M247 is BR 9.0. The M42 (Br 4.2) was equipped with proxy ammo and used it in combat. Again, it is missing from its proper line up, and was given to other nations first despite being the nation that pioneered it.
Sweden late BR CAS is bad. Sweden has 12km SPAA at 11.7 BR despite russian SPAA being at 20km at 11.7 BR. russian 2s6 sits at 10.7 meanwhile. So Sweden SPAA should be at 11.0.
russian lineups in game are what you get when vehicles are carefully placed so that you don’t need to learn to aim or use skill for one nation over others. You have been given mountains of evidence to show just how wrong you are, and how one sided this game has been developed and yet you still can’t see past your relationship with the snail to be honest on these forums. You are now making absolute false statements like “no evidence of”. You and your snail buddy want people to prove negatives despite direct evidence.
Why are you even here? To shill for them?
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I don’t even have an idea how AJS-37 become 11.3 CAS for Swedish even Tornado IDS wait… Even Jagaur GR1A at 10.3 can do CAS better than it
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because it has two AGM-65As more then the AJ, no jokes aside idk it really does not make any sense
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Means that everyone needs to respect the nose and go defensive once they see a launch or have et up a sufficient crossing velocity at missile launch to allow the subsequent Crank to be outside the predicted search volume once it loses support and resuming the datalink won’t salvage the shot due to displacement.
Basically in a joust an R-27ER only has to add one additional step into the the optimal current plan, as the -120A &-B is actually slightly worse than the -AIM-7F/-7M kinematically and so still has a large delta TTK so its only really increased the likelihood that they will kill trade.
Yes, the probably be the last to be added in terms of more modem missiles(-9M, -9R , -9X / -9X Blk II /-9X Blk III, etc.) since they tend to focus on performance at range vs other nations dogfight / High G focused designs. and will probably be missing some of their more unique features.
TWS is still bugged on the F-14s, it breaks the datalink whenever it refreshes and jumps to a new target which means the INS stops updating the predicted point of interception for any AIM-54’s in flight.
The AH-1J in question is the International model so of course it was modified to suit the client’s needs, so its not modified in the sense that its non-standard change.
the rails they use are compatible out of the box so there is no reason why you couldn’t just mount them, considering digital Stores systems.
Maverick has also
been demonstrated on the
AH-1W Super Cobra
AGM-114L, do i realty need to provide more examples, ok.
AGM-114R
AGM-179
AGR-20 M247 (HEAT) warhead
AIM-9M
AIM-9X
AIM-9X Blk II
ATAS RMP (FIM-92C)
ATAS RMP Blk I (FIM-92E)
5" Lazer Guided Zuni Rocket
Helfires & ATAS on the AH-1F
and more.
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Some of these including some models of AAMRAM shouldn’t even show up as launched to russian players as they don’t go pitbull until its too late.
Cause of AIM-9Ls.
@DocUSMC
I love the fact you claim other nations getting better SPAA to make their lives easier is “Russian bias”.
Vulcan is superior to ZSU-37-2 BTW.
There’s only 1 modification of AH-1J that’s confirmed with Mavericks.
Mig-27K & AJS-37 aren’t bad, they’re good, just not F-14B & Tornado good.
And range means nothing. Sweden already has a 2S6 equivalent SPAA at 10.3, ASRAD.
Soviet tanks have the worst top penetration in WT shared with Leclerc & Challenger 2.
I have years of experience facing T-72s & T-80s showing how correct I am.
@tripod2008
All the weapon systems you mentioned aren’t missing.
They’re not in-game for the same reason R-73M & advanced Russian ATGMs aren’t in game.
Balance.
That Cobra also isn’t in WT.
@D00MBrInG3r777
Glad you find people non-credible when they have more experience than you.
War Thunder is one of my favorite games. Who cares if I’m on the forums for a few hours? I can’t work, I have 16 hours of free time each day.
Not sure why you’re trying to derail & provoke us.
BTW, I’m not any of your guys’ enemy.
Sweden doesn’t have a Mig 27K. russia Does…
Then you explain why the russian shill tree of china get proxy rounds before the USA does? Also explain why 1970s aircraft get to face off against a 2023 2S38 with proxy rounds and 7km range track and search radar.
Their are more than just one. However the fact that even the one isn’t properly armed, and the Cobra in the US tech tree is missing a lot of ordinance says a lot.
You consider 580mm and 850mm that russia has to be the worst in the top tiers? Sweden has 589(negligeable) vs 850 of russia and no atgms on “everything” it seems like. Britain has 564mm. France has 575 vs 580 (negligeable).
I guess you will continue to ignore that russian era has well been known for years to way overperform. Meanwhile Sweden is missing its reactive armor and APS on multiple vehicles. But we can ignore that since you know 4mm more pen on the gun but no ATGMs.
The R73 are not in game because they got called out why the R73s were added but the proper Aim 9 of the same year were not. It had to do with them trying to pull a fast one while once again giving other nations old tech.
The AGR-20 is just a laser guidance kit attached to regular 70mm hydra rockets, the M247 is the regular 2.75" HEAT warhead which is found all over the place, its not as if higher performance ATGMs / rockets aren’t in game. and considering that the AGR-20 is otherwise present fitted with SAP and HE warheads the deliberate omission of the HEAT warhead is odd.
Its an AH-1F[AH-1S(MC)], I think you will find that it is in the US tech tree. Also is it any surprise to find that it is also missing the TOW-2A and -2B.
Also if we’re complaining about non standard modification shouldn’t a bunch of Russian tanks lose their Thermals if we’re trying to be at all consistent.
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Just because of IR missile doesn’t make it good CAS might be good as fighter role yes but not CAS role
Name which one that can shoot 18KM and radar with no blind spot also with gun at the same time.
oh, and 2S6 are better than ASRAD more range better Thermal more ready to fire missile and autocannon.
Mig-27K are mile better than AJS-37
doesn’t mean tank are perform bad or anything Russian still perform mile better than Challenger 2 and Leclerc
You are not an only one with those experience.
no one say about you are the enemy or anything ofc you are not.
just because your logic of this game is nonsense and wrong doesn’t mean you are my or anyone enemy
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Sweden doesnt need Mig 27.They can have their own aircraft.
APKWS is not offered with M247 Heat rocket . they might have added proxy fuse in ukraine
Early Grippen would do the trick
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which the AJS-37 cant carry if it wants to carry Mavericks, and the only missiles it can carry besides Mavericks are AIM-9J, which are not very good missiles to begin with.
Effective range of 2S38 is 4km against helicopters, not 7. 3.5 against head-on jets.
Chemical penetration isn’t the same as APFSDS, which confirms you don’t work in ballistics.
Thanks for confirming my earlier suspicions.
@tripod2008
No Soviet tank has thermals that it shouldn’t.
@ARK_BOI
AJS-37 has Mavericks and a higher thrust. Mig-27K is not “miles better”.
Miles better is Tornado IDS.
None, because no SPAA in WT can hit a fixed wing target at 18km.
2S6 is better than ASRAD against helicopters.
Gripen is infinitely better as CAS than Mig-27K, which is why I support it.