Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

Oh yeah, Skyflash has about 3 or 4 pending bug reports that are all “game limitations”

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Some random videos of me shooting side of a T-64 in test drive.

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I don’t have BMP-2M’s ammo to shoot NATO tanks, but I’ll work on that tonight since it’s the next mod to get.

Depends on balance if older aircraft would be granted access to the M206 (1"x1") form factor or were stuck with MJU-7(2"x1") derivatives.

The regular (e.g. AN/ALE-29) systems are comprised of 2 zones per unit one with 10 spaces and the other 20 units of space, the only requirements are that the zones be uniformly loaded, with most aircraft fits comprising 2x units.

and further if advanced designs like the MJU-47 Kinematic Flare, and the covert, MJU-50/51 were available.

The only airframes that would be significantly impacted at this point would be the F-4E derivatives and they still have options like the AN/AAQ-8 IRCM pod.

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Also, correct me if Im wrong. Jaguar could take chaff pods on the wings? So it could take more flares internally and then chaff on the wing pods. giving it a greater number of CMs overall

I’ve done testing in controlled settings & random battles alike.
Python 3s have a flares-do-nothing range of 2.5km rear aspect against an afterburning target.
Aim-9Ls are slightly shorter at 2.2 - 2.4km.

T-80s would increase maneuverability substantially with regenerative steering.

Some would see increase, namely Tornado IDS.
Many more would see decreases.
Such as 30 flares if you bring no chaff for F-5E, F-5A/C, F-104S, etc. 15 flares, 30 chaff, 60 chaff no flares.
Some would be unchanged such as Mig-29, F-4J, etc.
I guess this also should get a @tripod2008 ping.

Yeah… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YiWNSkh8jo

That is how its “suppose” to be. but in reality. 1 flare = bye bye 9L

(not been bothering with capturing clips last few weeks, but I think I need to resume. I keep seeing this sitaution repeat itself)

Too as great a degree as the Chally 2 and other heavy western MBTs? Im not saying that all wouldnt benefit from it, but by differing amounts. We can all agree that the Chally 2 lumber bus performance currently has a negative impact on its capabilites in game. I dont ever bother even trying to assault obj early game. there is no point, by the time I get half way there im ebing flanked by a T-80 thats gotten behind me. 9/10s the farthest I can get is somewhere outside my spawn before I ahve to engage an enemy tank

A 1 time thing is a fluke [especially if desync releated] unless otherwise repeated.
So far no takers on someone trying to 9L me from the rear when I’m in an MLA or MLD.

But yeah, regen steering is likely in the works along with more physics items.

It’s not though. its like 90+% of the time for me though. Its why I avoid PvP in ASB these days. Gr1/Gr7 are unrealiable in PvP so I avoid PvP like the plague, Tornado F3 is 100% Reliant on SkyTrash most of the time

I need to start recording clips in ASB again. Its constant 9Ls being defeated by 1 or 2 flares.

I was in a few sim matches recently and I noticed desync, but all my missiles made contact.
But we can go into a custom battle where you can launch 9Ls at me to your heart’s content for data.
I’ll grab any jet you want me to.

I CBA tonight, maybe another. yeah wouldnt surprise me its ASB issues .Though its been reported in ARB too. Ive seen it as well. did a few matches in the Gr1. 3 matches, 5 9Ls fired, all 5 defeated with flares on reheating targets in various aspects.

You probably could though, there would be other concerns that aren’t particularly relevant to WT.

Often chaff pods aren’t designed for tactical use but for laying strategic Chaff screens to hide movement from radars, and so would be loaded differently for their specific purpose. Nothing would theoretically stop them from being loaded as such, it would just be a matter of switchology as they would be loaded as any other store would so likely would not be deployed though the same process.

an even split between zones would see a 20:20 or 10:40 CM split between Flares and Chaff, with a the single type limit being 0:60 or 30:0 setup.

I would also assume that further detailing Countermeasures / ECM would include be revision of the chemicals makeup of the Flares instead of providing a bonus to their protection rating based on their diameter as it is currently there are also other types of countermeasures like dispensed Active Jammers and Towed & Air Launched Decoys that could also be modeled going forward to additionally provide defensive options.

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We shouldn’t forget the lack of ARM missiles. They have been around since the early 1940s. The first nation that should get it is Germany with the BV246 on the JU88 or HE111.

Also the way chaff works in game, it dissipates way to quickly to perform its normal function. Those pods can create a massive cloud that would hang around for a long time.

But I have to agree that “its a game limitation” seems to be an excuse that favors one nation more than another.

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Yeah, ARM would be great, but I think it might be an assymetrical addition which is why they have been so… coy with it.

Asymmetrical like one nation getting the Pantsir with 20km range. Meanwhile the US Hellfire’s are missing multiple capabilities, but also some helicopters are missing their Mavericks(22km) and Spike(25km) missiles which were both outfitted and used from helicopters.

But they had no problem giving the Hind the VIKHRs.

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Yeah… precisely. It would be unfair on the Pantsir to face Tornado Gr1 firing off 9x ALARM. Maybe when they have S300

They already gave Russia the 2S38 which hasn’t even entered service yet. But is supposed to as of 2023.

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They likely will be added to the Soviet one, there’s just no need for them right now.

That will explain why it feels totally OP at 10.0

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Seems normal. That’s the same BR as the Challenger Mk2 from 1998. Only a 25 year difference in technology. I mean it faces the Japanese Type 74 from 1962 in a downtier. That is only 61 year difference in technology. Seems balanced.

And it is only having to face helicopters like the Lynx AH Mk1 (1971) and HKP9A (1970) instead of its modern adversaries that would actually be able to counter it.

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