Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

Many of them wouldn’t target some SPAA radar as well depending on the stuff.
I know that F-16’s HARMs to be usable requires a radar receiver mounted to the plane for the HARM to be programmed in-flight in order to be used against different radar systems.

ALARM should work though, at least it was used against much of the same SPAA system we have in game in Iraq. Including things like Rolands If I recall correctly. Though I doubt they model the loiter parachute

1 In game it says 20km guaranteed 18km.
1a Since radar is modeled incorrectly in game, it should be much much more difficult against helicopters, especially at low altitude.

Here is a photo of a helicopter firing a Maverick missile.
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Time may not dictate power, it does dictate technology. For instance, Gen 3 thermals at 10.0 is pretty powerful. So is the radar and proximity shells the 2S38 gets. In fact, you can easily destroy drones with it controlling the skies while tucked away in a city and not having to worry about the noise from the radar which would be a real world problem for it. It would also struggle to see helicopters at the tree line with its radar, but in game it isnt a problem.

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That’s clearly a test to see if it’s possible, not on an actual mass-production aircraft.
Gen 3 thermals are at 7.0 BTW. Wiesel.
Best scout Germany has.

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One thing you may not know. Not all RWR can detect radar lock from a Pantsir. I know for a fact that includes Tornado Gr1. Probably all other Tornados. I also know for a fact that a Tor-M1 can hit a Torando Gr1 flying at 30k ft, at mach 1+ doing as evasive a turn as possible (whilst keeping laser on target) to throw of that Tor-M1 and still getting hit and killed by it. Pantsir should be able to match that at least. So thats at least 10km+ against a moving target

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Everything you posted I already knew, or in the cast of Pantsir’s missiles, a bit off.
Pantsir is 10+Gs less on its missiles compared to TOR-M1.
Nothing at top BR triggers RWR to begin with cause it’s all IRT/different band.

Did you just call the Cobra a non mass produced vehicle? Also maybe you should read this:

Not a test, Mavericks have confirmed kills on tanks off helicopter platforms. To further the problem the Apache can also carry and use Mavericks. This doesn’t even touch the newer stuff, and since the 2S38 is in game should be on the table.

Also, HARM missiles should be on the table, because I know of some that could target an SPAA just fine.

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Im dreading the nerfs to Brimstone when they are added. Imagine the moaning when they have to deal with a Torando Gr4 firing off Brimstones :P

Probably not that far off, either Tornado Gr4 or Harrier Gr9 I reckon sometime next year

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Can we get the F15 and F18 first? I mean I know the Mig 29 was a pretty big skip ahead into the 80s, and that they are using 90s seeker heads. But we need the F15 with AAMRAMS first.

We also need radar for SPAA fixed.

The Wiesel is missing its search and track. Something the russian vehicles don’t seem to be lacking… hmm…

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I don’t want Brimstone on Tornado, and I’m mad that UK didn’t pay Boeing to add Brimstone support to AH-64s.
But, EF with Brimstone I want.

@DocUSMC
That Wiesel didn’t have search & track for air targets.
F-15 with AMRAAMs isn’t until 13.0 I suspect, so you’ll be waiting a bit.

You mean like how Helicopters didn’t have Mavericks? IRST is old, and yes it did.

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Hehe, chronologically would make sense. Western nations are about 1995. AMRAAM was deployed 1991.

Tornado Gr4 with ASRAAM and Brimstone. Cheque please.

Going to have to be first

SHar FA2 > Gr9 > Gr4 > Typhoon. Only order things can be added i reckon from top tier onwards

Hoping for Hawks and morw Jaguars thrown in around them and to fill the holes

Well SHAR FA2 goes in naval line clearly, after FG1.

I mean, order added to the gamw. But yeah, only place it can go

Gripen is def getting added whether you like it or not.
And you’ll probably like it at some point.

Yeah… CF-18 as well probably. Not against those jets being added. Just… would prefer one of the actual british jets left to be added. But Brimstone and ASRAAM needed for most will probably mean we’ll need something around BR 12.3-12.7

Jets will be added, nothing replaces anything else after all.
Even if I’m waiting for AV-8B, A-4M, and so forth.
Me waiting patiently for T-90M so I can spade my T-90A & never play it again.

First we need Mavericks for the proper Helicopters.

We need HARMs.

Hopefully. Still waiitng for a bomber mosquitto…

Or a decent Hunter…

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