Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

so from looking at protection analysis rounds seem to shatter on the internal plate leaving spall to do all the damage to ammo on t80 and for some reason only hitting one thing of powder never sets off ammo

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I have this gem as well

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MUT4eYt78o

Not a T series tank, but defiently a soviet tank

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well its not a bmp idk what the problem is it shouldn’t have killed

This one is fun. This is thanks to the actual code benefits of russia. I pulled the numbers the other day, but 91% of all russian vehicles are set to only detonate ammo 15% of the time. They have some vehicles that are also set to 8% and I think I found 3 or 4 that were set to detonate 0% of the time.

When I say I pulled the numbers. I took the actual game code and went one by one and looked at each vehicle.

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how does the wet ammo storage play into detonation chance? might that modifier maybe wrongly added into the carousel?

According to the devs, in some instances it puts russia at 0% chance. They applied this by the way to the T72, T80, T90 etc. Even though they are in a carousel and obviously not wet storage. Then told the user to “prove us wrong”. Well the problem is, their is no documentation for wet storage in that instance because, wet storage in that instance doesn’t exist. So you are being forced to prove a negative wrong that isn’t in documentation because it doesn’t exist.

This was abyss by the way that stated it. They are very wrong, but you can imagine how likely to fix or admit that they are.

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Yeah, what I think is worse than all that…

None of that surprises me anymore

i suspect the infamous wet storage bug report was a language barrier problem because the guy isnt native english speaker and thought the actual wet storage was meaned when asked for detonation not the carousel

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Its an honesty and integrity barrier. That is the reality.

However, it shouldn’t matter. They use diesel fuel in some instances which means HEATFS and other round should still set it off. Diesel fuel, while being hard to ignite, isn’t ignition proof. And many rounds are plenty hot enough to set it off.

Its more just a pride and integrity issue.

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Spalling is active on all tanks, including T-series tanks.
“Russian” vehicles use the same codebase as all other tanks. Datamines proved this.
Gaijin didn’t "cheat’ or “lie”, once again datamines disprove your claims.

@Morvran
Game limitation is not an excuse, it’s a reason.
Which is why they are DEVELOPING game features.
Aim-9Ls were impossible at some point due to game engine limitations, which is why they updated the game engine to allow for it. Radars were a game engine limitation at one point as well.

Whether Dagor 7 is needed, or minor additions, they work on it.

@DocUSMC
That video is 9 months prior, and that is IFV ammunition.
I’ll gladly re-run tests, but I need to unlock darts on all my IFVs first, so you’ll have to be patient in that regard.
This is a reminder that other nations also have a 15% ammo det rate based on per-fragment basis.
Ammo not detonating doesn’t mean it’s 0%.

@x_Shini

Same.

A reason they give every chance they get

Tornado IDS low CM count - Game limitation
Chally 2 low mobility - Game limitation
Unkillable T-80s - Game Limitation
IR seekers not working right vs flares- game limitation

Just… its all a bit… suspicious.

  1. Which nation would be most affected by perforation being added?
  2. which nation would be least affected by regenatitive braking being added?
  3. What nation would be least affected by seperate CM counts?
  4. Which nation would benefit the least from improved IR seekers vs flares?
  1. would be Soviets
  2. would be Soviets
  3. Would probably be Soviets
  4. Would probably be Soviets
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Myth, fiction, not reality.
They’re as ammo-rackable as Arietes.

No one ever said this.

Literally. Separate flare & chaff, as well as regenerative steering are game level items, not vehicle level.

All of them, equally.

No one. It’s in development.

Soviets would be least negatively affected. They’d see no reduction in flares while many “western” aircraft would.

Right now? No one.

BTW…
How do I put things in spoilers?

Missing direct fire mode for Hellfires and Pars 3, missing proxy variants for apwks and hellfires etc etc

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chat box top right the option wheel hide details

It is when they arbitrarily decide not to follow established precedents; e.g. Axial tandem warhead designs get a bonus to their penetration values as a work around for not being able to module sequential detonation of the precursor and main charges. Where the TOW-2B doesn’t even though it uses a twin charge warhead, though offset as to permit ERA Defeat / Bypass.

and the shift to a entirely novel Explosively Formed Penetrator Damage Model coupled with a significant penetration reduction really reminds me of when they gutted HESH the same update they added the IS-6, let alone the hidden 200mm breach plate.

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A myth i’ve seen with my own eyes. But by your own admission it would make T-80s more killable

IR seekers always go for flares. They shouldnt. This is either a game limitaiton or they are intentionally nerfing missiles. 9Ls have been proven to ignore flares when a target is on reheat

But soviets have the only IRCCM missiles in game currently.

But they have Assymetrical affects. Heavy tanks would be most affected by regenerative steering/braking. Soviet tanks are almost always the lightest

No, many would see an major increase. Currently Tornado IDS has 56 CMs, should be 1256

Cog top right

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Oh yeah, Skyflash has about 3 or 4 pending bug reports that are all “game limitations”

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Some random videos of me shooting side of a T-64 in test drive.

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I don’t have BMP-2M’s ammo to shoot NATO tanks, but I’ll work on that tonight since it’s the next mod to get.

Depends on balance if older aircraft would be granted access to the M206 (1"x1") form factor or were stuck with MJU-7(2"x1") derivatives.

The regular (e.g. AN/ALE-29) systems are comprised of 2 zones per unit one with 10 spaces and the other 20 units of space, the only requirements are that the zones be uniformly loaded, with most aircraft fits comprising 2x units.

and further if advanced designs like the MJU-47 Kinematic Flare, and the covert, MJU-50/51 were available.

The only airframes that would be significantly impacted at this point would be the F-4E derivatives and they still have options like the AN/AAQ-8 IRCM pod.

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Also, correct me if Im wrong. Jaguar could take chaff pods on the wings? So it could take more flares internally and then chaff on the wing pods. giving it a greater number of CMs overall