Making Russian Tank Protection more realistic

The problem is when Germany, Japan, Italy, China, Swedes, and Soviets don’t have equivalent rounds to SHARD & M829A3. Allegedly Vacuum, but only 1 tank in the Soviet tech tree right now has the autoloader and gun to fire that round: T-72B3, and it can alleged only fit 11 rounds due to its length.

And the only manner in which case that all but Italy & China can get superior ammunition, is if you prove Type 10’s gun breech allowable pressures, and L/55s allowable pressures, are higher than M829A3 or SHARD for them to be given either ammunition for balancing purposes.
Italy can’t cause they use standard L/44 derivative so pressures aren’t high enough, and China uses 125mm guns.

i understand im still assuming we will get the next step of tanks relatively soon and i would expect brs to deviate more to well not everyone is going to 12.0 kind of situation like japan, Britain, and Italy i would imagine would stay where they are at in br
im assuming we are because of data mines like the Leopard 2 PSO which would just be a strv 122 for germany really

They won’t be deviating as much as you think since we’re at max ammo types outside of 3BM59 & OFL F2, possibly L28 as well.
And honestly? It’s good to have workable armor at top BRs.
Whether that’s Leopard 2A5, M1A2/A1 HC, T-80BVM with Relikt [emphasis on the Relikt, its armor is rather bad once it’s gone], or Strv 122.

War Thunder makes aiming easy.
Third person giving us a crosshair & optic down the barrel.
Shooting tanks because you third person aimed over a fence is common enough that it’s done at least 1 time every 5 matches, and it’s common enough that those tanks are up to & exceeding 1km away from that fence you’re shooting through in third person.

I ain’t saying get rid of either feature, cause doing so would end the idler wheel weakspot on all tanks.

right now i think the rounds are fine vs the tanks we are fighting but most the top tier tanks right now have been in the game a year or more idk im just expecting another jump in armor protection

Currently with the way Russian tank armour overperform
M829A4 won’t penetrate T-80BVM frontal armour even from L/55 at point blank range and it won’t even be close

this graph proves nothing, constant energy means mass is decreasing

The biggest jump in protection will be SEP4 & T-14, which few countries have equivalents to.

@Sombralix
Except for the fact that Relikt is one shot gone. Follow up shot will pen, even 3BM60 pens T-80BVM’s “permanent” armor.

well doesn’t help the armor calculator in hangar is very buggy

yep gaijin i can definitely pen that :D

What follow up shot, you’re dead after your 1st doesn’t disable the Russian tank

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follow up shot? If you don’t kill a t80bvm in the first shot or disable it, you’re dead.

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the U.S Military already got a T80 BVM from ukraine, it also got 4 t84s from ukraine. You need to be caught up to speed.

Getting them =/= testing against them.

Anyone who uses this graph to show DU is “inferior” to WHA at high velocities is a brainlet who doesn’t understand this graph.
The 10MJ and L/D 30 should give you the idea that this is an optimisation graph.
If you have a propellent charge that releases 10MJ muzzle energy and you are aiming to make an L/D 30 projectile what’s the optimum velocity to achieve best penetration and henceforth, the optimum weight and dimensions. As M/V increases, weight and dimensions of the projectile decrease with a proportion of square root and which is why the penetration “decreases” since the projectile is smaller
If you take the same projectile and up the propellent to produce more Muzzle energy and therefore more M/V, guess what, penetration increases

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and what do you think they did with those tanks

Currently nothing.

lol ok bro you keep thinking that the US Military obtains current model Russian/Ukrainian tanks and just let them collect dust.

The more and more you type the more i laugh. You make claims, like " max loading crew reduces ammo detonation " but you don’t post links.

I can literally POST ACTUAL LINKS of Captured Russian T-90 tanks in the U.S , in Parking Lots in Maryland. https://youtu.be/F-uCl5zbiwM And you actually type stuff that many of us laugh at on a daily basis.

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Why do you think USA lets them collect dust?

Nope, never did. I said may, not authoritative. So you made up a strawman as well.

Not sure why you laugh at the fact USA does testing…
Thanks for posting a video that proves me right, BTW.

@sartt
All your screenshots prove I never lied nor trolled.
The fact you claim everyone but yourself is uninformed proves us all correct.


We aren’t liars & trolls for criticizing Russian tanks.

I have an update to this BTW.
Guaranteed ammo det seems most likely tied to how many fragments hit the ammo.
Replacing that old hypothesis.

The first one quite literally shows you lying.

Except you did say exactly this, and he shows a screenshot of it. You didn’t say “may” like you claimed, you outright said that an expert crew reduces ammo detonation.

The post is right there. It’s not like he has edited your comment. In fact you have edited this precise comment 3 times, and yet this statement has not been changed.

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Thanks for further proving I never lied.
I appreciate the assistance in dealing with Sartt’s false accusations.

It was a hypothesis from the beginning.
It was NEVER an authoritative statement.