‘Best’ in the game btw ☠️
All jokes aside, people genuinely want to see these changes made to the British Phantoms because they’re in a terrible state. An overwhelming majority of players have voted in favor of these improvements, which shows there’s strong support for bringing the aircraft up to par.
I’ll make a similar edit at the end of the other Phantom posts as well.
I was wrong about the F-4J and F-4S. There wouldn’t be anything wrong with giving both of them AIM-9Ls.
There’s just one last hurdle: convincing Gaijin that AIM-9Ls aren’t the overpowered superweapon they seem to think they are. At this battle rating, they’d only provide a modest improvement to the aircraft’s overall effectiveness and not transform it into something overpowered.
The Tornado F.3 already carries AIM-9Ls at the same battle rating, so there’s already a precedent for it.
My suggestion (please support if you agree):
You should let go of this beating around the bush mentality where Gaijin only gives one aircraft these additions, because deep down you know they’re more than capable of giving both aircraft the correct loadouts.
You’ve read through the manuals, and you clearly care about these aircraft. The people who bought the F-4J(UK) deserve the chance to finally enjoy a premium that’s been underperforming for so long.
Honestly, the F-4J(UK) is the reason I joined the forums in the first place. It’s been in such a poor state for so long that I wanted to push for it to finally get the attention it deserves.
Please consider revising your suggestion before it’s too late. I don’t see any justification for increasing the battle rating or for giving the missiles to only one of the aircraft.
I intentionally excluded the F-4J(UK) from that post (perhaps I should have been explicit about that) as I wanted to make a point about the tech tree Phantoms. Out of the Phantom FG.1 and Phantom FGR.2 I would only like one of them to receive the improved armament, specifically because I want them to be different. There’s no point in playing two tech-tree jets that are identical in all but skin, by differentiating them and placing them at different BRs they both add something unique to the tech tree.
On the topic of the F-4J(UK) Gaijin seem pretty clear that AIM-9L = higher BR. I do not own the F-4J(UK) (though I do have plenty of experience in the F-4J, so have a pretty good idea how it plays - HMD and AIM-7F notwithstanding). So I don’t feel I can advocate for raising it’s BR in order for it to receive AIm-9L, that’s a change the players of the F-4J(UK) need to advocate for if they think it is a worthwhile change.
I have however added a section regarding the F-4J(UK) to my post as I feel the addition of Skyflash SuperTEMP cannot really be argued against.
The FGR.2 would sit at a higher BR than the Tornado while carrying essentially the same loadout. Gaijin moved the F-104s up because they were “too effective” at bombing bases and earning Silver Lions, which is a terrible excuse for moving it up.
There shouldn’t have to be trade offs for the FGR.2. In the current state of the game, it would perform very similarly to the Tornado F.3 with the same missiles, and I think you know that.
Gaijin seriously underestimates just how underwhelming these aircraft have become.
F5E US with AAM-3? Uhh what.
AIM-9Ls more like, or P-4s.
You need to learn the art of arguing with Gaijin. They have decided AIM-9Ls will mandate a BR increase, you will not change their mind on that, and if you try, you will just waste your time and get nothing. If instead you make the case that increasing the BR in return for better weapons is a actually a really good idea they might just do it. You have now got a Phantom with the improved weaponry you wanted; there are are then two possibilities:
If option 1 is the outcome (however unlikely you think that is) then everyone’s happy. If option 2 is the outcome then at that point you can start arguing for a BR reduction, and if it really is particularly bad Gaijin’s statistics will also tell them it sucks. End result: you might get the outcome you originally wanted if Gaijin do indeed decide to drop the BR back down after a couple of BR change feedback cycles.
So following this approach you have a chance of getting the outcome you want. By comparison if you base your argument on trying to convince Gaijin that adding AIM-9Ls won’t necessitate a BR you have no chance of getting what you want, because Gaijin have made their mind up on that, you won’t be changing it, so you’ll get no-where if you try.
Gaijin: We don’t play our own game. We ignore player feedback and balance vehicles based purely on how much money they make!
These are the same developers who moved the Iranian F-14 up to 13.7 while leaving the clearly overperforming Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 untouched.
i saw f4j in the battle rating changes and thought ohhh finally. but it turns up, its only ground battle
they didnt touched a single phantom in air rb
can you make a proposal in the new br topic post?
Thanks for the support man but I think it’s over. Gaijin doesn’t give a shit about the phantoms
They arent playing their own game, crazy. The F4S is a little more balacend at 12.0 but the f4juk defentliy not
Maybe with decompression
That’s not flight model data, that’s team skill data.
@HazelPam7769, @Tymxy.
They probably use stats of F-4J/S to balance F-4J(UK)
I don’t have solid proof, but only this can explain why Gaijin believes F-4J(UK) is fine, and all three of those are sharing the same BR in EVERY game mode despite the fact that F-4J(UK) is worse than other 12.0(ARB) Phantoms in Air sim.
No AIM-7F, no Spey engines. but have higher BR than F-4K/M in air sim and has the same BR as F-4J/S.
I’ve honestly given up on it at this point. They just keep giving me the same recycled excuses. Meanwhile, the Iranian F-14 is being moved up to 13.7, yet the Su-30MKK and Su-30MK2 are staying at 13.3. That alone says a lot about their priorities. They clearly don’t care about the British Phantoms. At times, it genuinely feels like they don’t even play their own game, especially when they continue to ignore years of feedback about how poor the F-4J(UK) is. A lot of people have already said they’d be perfectly happy with the FGR.2 moving to 12.3 if it received the same missile loadout as the tornado F.3 at 12.0. Instead, we’ll probably be waiting another few years before they even consider moving it back down, or, more likely, they’ll forget about the FGR.2 altogether, leaving it as one of the weakest aircraft at 12.3.
Have fun fighting the Su-30s.
