Un-nerfed SRAAM with all-aspect capabilities would be infinitely better than what it has now lmao
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didn’t think sraam was all aspect? if it is then we need those asap
There’s also no option to consider BR changes. This is one of the least egregious examples, but compare to the F-4F discussion where the options are very leadingly “yes these changes are awesome” and “no they should stay exactly the status quo”
You’re really mad about this man, relax. Jesus. Lmao
Let me respond to this other guy
It’s not, it’s side aspect at best but so are all IR missiles, even the AIM-9B has a similar launch envelope
This doesn’t really address any of my points I was making. Half of your reply is a history lesson that most of us already know about, rather than responding to the actual balance arguments I made.
The reason I suggested moving the Kurnass 2000 down is that there’s no real justification for it being at the same battle rating as the F-16s. At 12.0, it could fill a unique role as a knife-fighting Phantom that relies somewhat on ambush tactics with its radar turned off. It would also avoid constantly facing superior airframes, something the Israeli F-16s at the same BR are already much better equipped to deal with. More importantly, it would finally give players a reason to use the aircraft again.
As for the F-4EJ Kai, it would be on roughly equal footing with the F-4J, F-4S, and FGR.2, while benefiting from the F-16’s radar. That would place it comfortably alongside the other Phantoms at 12.0.
I already explained my reasoning for the F-4J(UK), FGR.2, FG.1, the F-4Fs, and the American naval Phantoms and you can read those too.
None of your points actually address the arguments I made, they mostly explain the aircraft’s history instead of discussing their in-game balance.
Yes because i didnt play them ? J dont want to make a opinion based on nothing.
But i will since you asked.
Like any plane ? Stock grind is always hard.
Yes because they are in no need of a change. I agree to add countermeasures to f4f early but no aim9l.
F4f with 9L at 11.3 will just make its gameplay harder. A non fox1 going against fox1 users. 11.0 is fine
I was okay with it but now i completely disagree. Useless addition to begin with.
F4 can take a lot of fuel. You can also take little fuel and have a big center center tank.
The FG Phantoms also have lower fuel consumption than the others.
TSFC of 1.74 vs 2.1.
So the 9 minutes SL of the Americans turn into 10 minutes with higher thrust for the Speys.
The crazy part is they have a carrier spawn.
So less range to travel which mean less fuel are needed.
It would be fine at 11.3 with AIM-9Ls
And now you’re just being petty. Some you guys are so difficult. This is why we can’t have shit in warthunder.
R-27ER?
The Phantom’s radar has been pretty solid in my experience. You are switching it to PD mode right?
Apparently I’m the only person who enjoys playing the FGR.2?
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You could be enjoying something so much better. Don’t let Gaijin leave the Phantoms behind.
R-27ER was powercreep, but AIM-7F to R-27ER was less powercreep than [at the time] Skyflash to AIM-7F.
As time went on, Skyflash & AIM-7E2 got lower maneuvering delays.
R-27R got maneuvering “buffs”.
Super 530s were improved.
With the introduction of AIM-7F, it was nasty.
Didn’t help people didn’t know about defeating radar missiles as much as we do now.
I’ve long been an advocate of giving the Phantom FGR.2 AIM-9Ls (and SuperTEMP) to differentiate it from the FG.1, and give people the option of playing a less well-equipped aircraft at a correspondially lower BR if they want to.
The only thing I have voiced opposition to is giving the F-4J(UK) flare dispensers it never had, or replacing it with a re-skined FGR.2.
they are probably great when they’re aced but when they’re bone stock they are crap and unplayable especially these days with what’s in the game
I really need to spade my leftover F-4K, but I am shunned from playing it.
F/A-18A might finish off the F-4K just like how a full-grown man snaps a baby cat’s neck :/
Damn compressions, Regular skyflash might not have a chance while I would be forced to have only 2x AIM-9D :/
That’s fine, we came to an agreement on that, so don’t get it twisted. I’m not mad. I just think there should be a lot more discussion surrounding this. Without your help, I probably wouldn’t have pushed for the Skyflash SuperTEMP in the first place.
I also think it could be added as a quality-of-life and balancing improvement. Gaijin has already made similar exceptions before, such as giving the F-4F Early AIM-9Js despite that not being a historically accurate loadout.
That got me wondering: why would they add that?
The tech tree F-4F should have AIM-9Ls, but it doesn’t because Gaijin originally left them out for balance reasons. The F-4F Early is in the same situation, which makes me wonder if it’s also an early interpretation of the Peace Rhine upgrade, just without the AIM-9Ls for the sake of balance.
If that’s the case, then both aircraft should receive AIM-9Ls. The F-4F Early should also receive the rest of the historically accurate Peace Rhine upgrades, rather than being left in this half-upgraded state.
i want to spade both british ones but being unable to do anything with just 2 aim9ds its almost impossible
Fun point, if we get stock improvement, just like how Rank 8-9 gets
(2x AIM-9D → 2x AIM-9G + 2x Skyflash)
Still they might have kicked their ass off by those undertiered American jets.
F/A-18A, C Early, bloody F-15A, and F-14B(buffed)/D.
At least they might not facing those cursed premium Su-30s in 13.3BR :|
That’s another thing I forgot to mention, giving them two AIM-9Ls would also make the stock grind much easier. The AIM-9G replaces the AIM-9D , while the AIM-9L becomes the aircraft’s top-tier infrared missile. The same thing applies to every other Phantom.
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