Major Update "Leviathans" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

oh the F-22 is winning every time. its like F-5C vs. F-111F

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yeah thats because for some reason gaijin give the Gr1 Mk101 engines (later it the Gr1s lifespan it got Mk103s the same as the italian and german IDS and what the Gr4 has)

Well I’m not gonna be a TEC here so with the Typhoons from last year I’m 75% sure they’ll come

I think most of the tech mods will perish with the amount of bug reports we’re going to get when F-35 gets added.

Really all the 5th gens will push the limits of the bug report handlers and devs who deal with bug reports.

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I’ve heard the F-2A is on Gripen level, which I’m not sure where the Gripen falls.

However, I will say from some test dogfights at min fuel, it seems to be slightly worse than Gripen, but beats the EFT/J-11/Su-30/etc. I haven’t tested vs Rafale but I assume Rafale is better than EFT so it would win in the end. However, I think the eurocanards can win if they use their insane TWR to stall fight. Also we’re not anywhere close to being the best pilots so our tests are unequal by default.

I saw this video, but I assume there’s some shenanigans here (like prolonging fights that should have ended) and I can’t speak for the relative skills of either pilot:

Regardless though, I think the defining feature of the F-22 is stealth, so I feel like that’s what they’ll try to showcase. However, looking at the Comanche and F-117, I feel that they aren’t going to make it matter much, if at all

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just a reminder the Refale got another buff but is still over preforming lol

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Typhoon > Rafale > Gripen > F-16 block 10 > J-10A > Jf-17

I don’t remember the rest right now.

Well that isnt even correct anymore. Rafale buffs and Typhoon nerfs mean the Rafale can now easily beat the Typhoon. And thats before you factor in missiles, radar performance, etc

Please showcase exactly where the Rafale has a sustained turnrate advantage.

Still wonder where this is always coming from, yet no evidence.

From my time on Dev, the F-2 only had a chance in sustained rate fight against the Rafale.

The new “over-the-shoulder” feature of the MICA EM also give the Rafale a small advantage - but luckily it only works with locks atm and doesn’t slave to SPECTRA as in real life.

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Starshark doesnt work with the Typhoon. Been loads of reported examples where it just lies through its teeth.

But in game, actual testing. Not a lot a Typhoon can do against a Rafale at the moment especially in a fight with missiles.

Aim-9M and Aim-120B are useless in a dogfight.

You have things liek the fact the Rafale can pull 22+G and not rip but the Typhoon breaks at 12G and yet reported sources show that the Rafale should break at about 16G and the typhoon should break about 18G.

Also in a lot of cases the “close enough” rules have left the Rafale overperforming. Usually where game limitations apply, they prefer the aircraft to be too weak than too strong. (look at the tornados) in the Rafales case, its the opposite.

Like I said with the disclaimer on that video, but you can see the F-2 winning everytime (which I feel is wrong? but whatever). If true, then F-2 is a pretty meta dogfighter (heck it still is, if it loses to EFT/Rafale as it’s close enough).

If the F-22 is at best on par with the eurocanards, then I think we can breathe a sigh of relief there

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might get to read some interesting manuals, look on the bright side

no hmd + low CMs ? food for rafale/flankers in wvr.

theres gonna be premium f22 premium f35 premium variant of su-57, su-57 prototype event vehicle

I am fairly certain Gaijin will buff it to the heavens because they know the consequences of not doing so.

I’ve never seen 22G or anything near that number on my Rafale and I guess this is just (yet again) linked to the trim exploid that not only affects Rafale. I would hardly call this overperfom.

Also pretty sure I’ve seen a video where the EFT was also able to pull over 20Gs in some condition, but idc.

it should be better at low speed and at high speed match most of what they can do. id guess it would have great supersonic performance, maybe even better than the typhoon since the F-22 was built to fly at like 1.5+

Has this been communicated to those who run it?