Major Update "Leviathans" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

but by the same argument the Yak-141 never mounted a functional IRST? and like the Yak-141 its an incredibly unique tank

Again, they key point missed:

We have already removed tanks that were either partly functioning but had incomplete turrets or components. We dont plan to introduce more.

I dont understand why there isn’t a universal rule here, it feels like gaijin picking and choosing what they want in the moment, like is there even a reason on why ground is held to such a higher standard then air? also up until this point im pretty sure most people thought that Air and Ground had the same implementation rules and it was only naval that it was relaxed

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except Ho-Ri

We’ve mentioned it many times and also explained both the Yak-141 and Challenger 2 Streetfighter. Its not a new rule or concept. Its the very reason the German tanks were removed.

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fair enough I guess it just seems like a very inconsistent rule to limit ground compared to air

I don’t think any of these are bad judgement individually, but they seem like they aren’t purely objective decisions, and seem to vary in judgement between nations and types of vehicles too much.

Suggestion rules are clear and objective in the way they show what is and isn’t able to be suggested. While I don’t say the devs have to just use those for additions (as much as I’d like it), their own ruleset would be very interesting to see published in a similar way, since right now it is impossible for players to understand it properly and apply it to future vehicles.

Maybe with published rules we understand what goes into it more, and it becomes more logical and fair than it seems right now.

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my assumption is its designed that way intentionally so the devs arent held to a standard like the Yak-141 and Streetfighter 2 debate even though they are increadably similar, hell the streetfighter 2 is in an arguably better spot as the majority of the tank is the same as a base challenger 2 and works the only part that would need to be added is the brimstones, which is the exact same as the Yak-141 getting a radar and IRST

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Where’s today’s Dev update
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We have already removed tanks that were either partly functioning but had incomplete turrets or components. We dont plan to introduce more.

  • Tiger 2 105 “removed” in 1.91
  • Radpanzer added in 1.97

Smin forgor Radpanzer didn’t have a functioning turret, not even optics on the hull 💀

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yak 141 may not but will mig 29 9.12/9.13 ever get R73 and remove R27er R60s are unusable will it ever get them as it could go to 13.0 or even remain same BR as Su33 at 13.0 gets 6 R73 and R27ER
12.3 F/A-18A hornet has better missles on a very similar FM aim7m is a bit worse than ER but mig29 a radar is fooled easily so it does matter and IR wise he has AIM-9L which GAPS the R60MK by miles

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@Smin1080p_WT Perhaps it’s an idea to explore these set of guidelines or a frame work to what can or can’t come to a tech tree in the next community notes as then you can explain more in detail to why X came and Y didn’t.

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Still no word on BOL being fixed

Just about to hit 800 votes for it to finally be fixed.

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panther 2
which only problem was Gun was historicially inaccurate
just slap the panther F turret on it with a 75MM and that would basically be IRL panther 2

That sounds like an amazing idea if possible. It’d be an interesting bit of information, could make some more detailed suggestions for improvement possible and might even resolve some issues entirely.

Also I’m so sorry Smin for starting (and fuelling) this whole discussion, please don’t steal my kidney.

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Are there plans to remove the Ho-Ri and other similar vehicles?

They have to add the M1A2T for Taiwan in the Chinese tech tree.
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Both Taiwan and China now will have more MBTs to play

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actually the panther 2 would have used a turret more like this tbh
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Or just the normal Panther F Schmalturm, both this design (Rheinmetall “schmale Blende”) and the Schmalturm were contenders for the Panther 2 turret, but when the Panther 2 project was cancelled the turret project continued but just for the standard panther and eventually the Schmalturm design won and was to be fitted on the Panther F

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I mean, a turret was never completed, but a hull was, when it was captured the Americans stuck a panther G turret on it. It’s on display at the National Armor and Cavalry Museum at Ft. Moore, GA.

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Defiantly not a Panther F turret though. That was designed post the cancellation of the Panther II programme, incorporating some of the developments from the Panther II. Though there’s not really a direct link, as the Panther F turret programme was transferred from Rhinemetall to DB midway through, and DB threw most of it out.