Major Update "Hornet Sting" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 4)

that isnt a PESA

Is there anything interesting in these 700 messages?

I didn’t looked up but it’s not aesa so it can be added with this update.

if it was AESA it could still be added, look at rafale and kfir c10

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a new leak, detailed on top, you can easily find it

M1.7-1.8 is not a conservative figure for the Raptor’s supercruise, it’s basically the best claimed. The more official position is that it can supercruise speed at speeds of “M1.5 or greater”, with M1.5 being the program requirement, and apparently a document saying it exceed requirements by about 15% (So ~M1.725).
The M2.0 claim is loose, it does not explicitly says the aircraft was supercruising, just that it was “cruising at M2.0 at 60000 feet”. That’s close to the original maximum speed on AB: M2.25, later decreased to M2.0 to preserve the stealth coating.
The Langley-Oshkosh in “25 to 30 min if we wanted” is also unlikely, as it would require an obscene ~M3.0 at altitude, which the Raptor cannot do even in full AB. The F22 has fixed-geometry inlets, it can’t control the airflow shockwave like an F15 does, much less like a SR71.

I don’t remember speed, but I remember F-22 only uses 70% throttle for supercruise.
F119 is very good at high altitude and high speed, but much worse than F-110 in low speed and low altitude.

so from 1.72 on lower end of estimated (accounting for bare minimum requirement and 15% exceeding), to 1.82-1.9 on high end (iirc multiple pilots have said theyve done this)?

mach 2 cruise could maybe be referring to using a significantly lower AB stage than most other fighters would to hold that speed

i havent heard about the langely oshkosh thing though.

do you know anything about the claim Smugspite made about tranche 4 eft being able to do 1.6 supercruise even though swiss trials showed EFT can only do 1.4?

the F-22 isn’t Fat Amy that’s the F-35 and still the F-35 would be at the Su-57 in a 1 on 1 fight no issue with the F-22 being a even easier fight

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Yes, the F119 is insanely powerful. The issue with stealth was (at least for the earliest Raptors) that temperature quickly degraded the coatings (limited to 467 F/242 C). Jim Brown said they needed 118% power to reach M2.0 @40k feet (150% being max afterburner). Unfortunately, fixed-geometry inlets have these sorts of limitations.

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@gromvoiny can we wait new 7 or 8 rank USSR premium jet or we are left with 23ml?

nice. it seems the F-22 will be one of a few aircraft that can feasibly hit mach 2 in an actual game if thats true

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M1.5 for supercruise is what you’ll generally find for the program requirements and/or operational supercruise speeds, although M1.6 is seen at times. So yes, about M1.72 up to M1.84 at an 15% extra.
Some pilots did claim they achieved M1.7-1.8, yes.

As for max speed, well, being completely honest with you, engine thrust itself doesn’t seem to be the problem for the Raptor. It looks to be the aerodynamical sacrifices that had to be made to maximize stealth, the biggest factor might just be the fixed-geometry inlets, at some point the inlets just can’t deal with the supersonic flow anymore, and from that one can expect bad stuff happening such as compressor stalls. IIRC there were some quotes from people on the program saying the theoretical aerodynamical maximum speed was calculated at M2.4-2.5, but I don’t remember reading anything on the plane being taken to those speeds.

Edit: oh, sorry, on the EF2K, I really don’t know, I never read much about it.

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maybe the new F-22 coating allows for it to go closer to that limit or reach it

I don’t think there is a new coating, most photos show aged and even broken coating.
I remember some new about renewing its coating but not done yet

Modern pulse doppler X-band radar

Super Hornet Block 1 fitted AN/APG-73 (Phase II) radar like F/A-18C/D in the Iraqi Freedom era

For Super Hornet Block II & Block III standard

hi gaijin can i get half the rp i just spent on the f14B back

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Yeah, not happening.

can we see su-30mki come to the game?
its One of my favorites.
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