Major Update "Hornet Sting" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 4)

Sim lobbies just do be weird like that

15E is useless, since it cant do anything other than attemp to sling amraam, which countered by easy multipath and notching. At same time it just getting R-27ET into it’s two massive hot sun.
15C basicly same, but not that hot and worser for BVR. In WVR worser than Su-27 for example
Typhoon is only plane that matches its counterparts, due of them being almost/same planes.
16C is just bad, low small CM amount. Only 6 missiles. Bad dogfight perfomance

Indeed.

“Game convention. Not a bug.”

Intentional, artificial nerf to these tanks.

They didn’t even make them anti-spall, which is one of the main points of these baskets. Instead, they generate ADDITIONAL spall.

So it’s not even a “you lose the turret but your crew survives more” trade-off; it’s straight up a nerf.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/IhJ0lAuJ6vG4

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youre so close to getting it.
you know what happens when a team gets forced onto the ground and then gets held back right? you have quite a lot of sim matches under your belt so id say you do

Although the Spice-250 is most definitely not coming this update, it’s worth nothing that this weapon can be used on the F-16s as well. Ofc given their date of representation ingame, it would be better to add such weapons to later Barack 2020 aircraft if any, rather than the ones we have now.

Another team starts attacking from multipath, due of bad launch parameters missing too. Everything goes into WVR, wheres on blue side only one good plane - Typhoon.

and what about the fact the entire enemy team has an advantageous position over the other so that even if you go wvr there will always be someone coming from above to 9M you all while one or two players farm ground targets which only worsens the ticket drain

If youre about getting 3rd partied - issue of player amount, not specific side you playing.

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except its much harder to help a teammate when the enemy is under constant cover as i mentioned earlier. you cant win if your entire team is in a horrible position compared to the enemy
and even if your team somehow manages to break out itll just happen again.
spamraam until stuck on your half and low, get third partied, maybe break free, spamraam again. rinse and repeat

Not much, only difference - youre a bit limited in maneuvr, since youre quite close to ground

Well if I remember correctly they kinda did the same thing with jdams it wasn’t on dev but it did get them when the update came out so maybe when the update is out cause it did carry 7p

what’s todays cope flavor of the day

let see, Gajin making turret baskets part of the turret ring instead of the turret itself, toptier jets diving into a furball firing missiles and uh F18s should have something called aim-7Ps?

edit: I agree with the first part tho. Why would you make the turret basket part of the turret ring module? a single pixel hit the bottom of the basket bam, your entire ring is down have a 37sec repair

huh, some surprisingly valid ones hmm…

People want AIM-120C-5s because R-77-1s aren’t horrible and they can’t possibly have a solid Russian fighter

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+R-77 is much worse than AIM-120A.
-Why? R-77 can pull nearly twice as many Gs.
+Yes, but it has worse range.
-But that means they just have different a different strength and weakness each, right?
+No. R-77 is worse because it has worse range. 50G does not matter. Gs don’t matter.
-Ok…
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R-77-1: is added both with the same 50Gs as R-77 AND increased range on par with AIM-120A, solving the range weakness of R-77.
-Damn, it appears AIM-120A lost the only advantage it had, range, while it’s still worse in the turning department. Maybe we should now get a slightly more agile variant in order not to fall behind?
+REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


EDIT: Nevermind. Turns out there are no more agile AIM-120 variants. There is no fight to be made here.

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Imagine having competitive RU fighter.

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It would also be nice to remember how many R-77-1s can be on board at the same time and how many 120.

Indeed. Just in case, allow me to remind;

-SU-30 can carry Twelve (12) R-77-1s.
-F-15s can carry Eight (8) AIM-120s.
-Eurofighter can carry Six (6) AIM-120s.

-F/A-18C can carry Ten (10) AIM-120s (by rendering itself subsonic).

Before, the excuse was that “R-77 had worse range, which made the 50Gs pointless”.
Now that R-77-1 solves the range problem WHILE still having 50Gs, it is too disturbing that AMRAAM users ask for a slightly more agile variant of AIM-120 in order not to fall behind entirely.


EDIT: Nevermind. Turns out there are no more agile AIM-120 variants. There is no fight to be made here.

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It’s really funny if you look at 13.7 and accidentally see Gripen with 4 aim-120.

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