“Domestic CAS” LOL yeah those LJDAMs are really competitive compared to Mavericks, AASMs, and Brimstones
“CAP Capabilites to rival the current gen 4.5s” dawg it’s a fat F-16 with a better radar, no HMD, and the same IR and ARH missile loadout of the F-15JM
Again we don’t want it. We aren’t asking for the best. We just want our stuff. That’s why I play Japan for the first place! If I wanted an F-18, I’ll go play the US…
not compared to F-16E, F-16C late, or F-16V
I know but that is sadly how it’s gonna end, hopefully you can enjoy your f2 with the coming update, but gaijin love to copypaste even if it is not needed.
Don’t get me wrong i’m in the same boat as you, i won’t ever touch the leo in the french tree, i play France for leclerc not for leo.
just get AIM-260 at that point lol
Ok lets remove rank 5 to 8 from Japan then : P
the reason the F2 is taking so long is because gaijin needs to space out its PR disasters with the japan TT by at least one update 🔥
Please dont make false claims
L-JDAMs are still pretty decent, especially with gen 3 TGP, but also ASM-2(a?b?) and ASM-3 will be nice as well as they’ll be similar to current FnF AGMs.
F-2, in theory, should only really lose to the EFT/Rafale, all things equal. Calling it a fat F-16 means you’re ignoring all the improvements made to its maneuverability and agility (larger wing area, the ME mode, etc.).
As for HMD, we don’t know, but Gaijin’s track record shows they’ll give it ahistorical things if necessary. AFAIK, only ADTW F-2s have HMD as part of testing with AAM-5. In addition, F-15J(M) only received HMDs with AAM-5s. We can extrapolate that Gaijin might add HMDs to F-2 anyway.
So what does that leave us with? A more agile plane that can outdogfight most opponents and carry similar loadouts to the F-15J(M) but also CAS loadouts.
maybe the F-2 will come with F-16E or F-16V
oh there’s so much “in theory” in this post.
For starters - L-JDAMs are decent, they dont hold a CANDLE to the best CAS munitions in the game. ASM-2 and ASM-3 are just cope since Gaijin just avoids Cruise missiles like the plague, but in the event they are added, congrats you need to trade some of your ARH’s for them.
As for CAP capabilities. You are incredibly agile yes, but you’re too slow for BVR (which matters when the AAM-3 isn’t a particularly outstanding dogfight IR, and the AAM-4 while better than the AIM-120 at dogfighting is nothing close to the MICA or R-77). Your agility is still far in a ways inferior to the Typhoon, and Rafale (and the J-10B when that inevitably gets added). But those planes have the luxury of not having to get near you at all because they can out BVR you.
Heck the entire reason the F/A-18 is considered DOA, is because it’s a dogfight platform at a BR where dogfighting just doesn’t happen? The Rafale is the only one that gets a pass, because MICA’s are just ridiculous.
Also I’m not gonna bank it’s HMD capacity off of a “maybe”
I just use RCSM for that. Theres a other really good one on War Thunder Live that does jet sounds well too but cant remember the name.
id rather they implement this into base game though
btw to add this in before we breathe another word of the ASMs, not only have most planes not gotten their ASMs added in to the game. But they’ve flat out refused most of them lol.
As far as Modern ASMs are concerned we only have gotten the Kormoran (which doesn’t work on tanks), and the Penguin (which the F-5 carries a whopping ONE of) which are both on EVENT planes.
Then outside of that I think it’s just the Bucc?
no LRASM on F-15E :(
I smell a wall of text and cope, of the Japanese flavor.
Brimstones/etc can be nukes for all I care, L-JDAMs still work in this current meta so what’s the problem lol.
Then don’t treat them like cruise missiles and nerf them? You do realize the AAM-4 is severely nerfed compared to IRL just so it can be in the game right? Same deal. ASMs can just be the Japanese answer to FnF AGMs.
And yes, you would have to do some trading, but you can still carry both, which means you still have options to do both CAP and CAS.
(Realistically, I’m rarely going to be CASing as I love CAP, so this isn’t even the reason I want the F-2)
The F-5 in particular is important because ASM would behave like that but ability to lock from farther range. I know ASM-3 has DL and all the other features, but I’m sure that will come way later. Right now ASM-2 is more than enough for what Japan needs.
You can do BVR well enough, all you lack is staying power as the CM count is half of the F-15J(M) which means you’ll need to leave to re-arm sooner.
You do realize even now the Block 10 F-16, while inferior, is close to the EFT that the F-2, which is better than Block 10 F-16s, will stand a better chance? I still don’t think F-2 will beat EFT as the math doesn’t work out. Maybe 1 circle, but def not 2 circle.
You’re also ignoring CAP in ground RB nobody plays BVR lol. Ignoring that most targets will be fully ladden with armaments, they’ll rarely see you coming when you stealth fire AAM-3s which thankfully have IRCCM so MAW flares won’t do much. Dogfights are super common and the number 1 reason I play CAP in ground RB (air RB is boring to me because of markers), which is where the F-2 will excel, provided they don’t run into an EFT/Rafale on CAP duty as well with less than 50% fuel and only A2A missiles.
That’s fair and even I’m not banking on it. As long as it gets vertical ACM mode like F-16AJ, I can make it work for dogfights as it’s pretty easy to use and honestly sometimes easier than the HMD when you get that slow.
If you don’t want thought-out responses, I can just reply back with lame gotchas or something lol
Tbh the F-2 wouldn’t even be on par with something like the Strike Eagle or Eurofighter in terms of CAS or CAP. No mavericks or forseeable FnF weapons unless they add ASM-2 which I doubt, you have to sacrifice BVR capability for CAS, and as good as LJDAM’s are, they’re just not as good as dedicated FnF ordnance. That’s not to say the F-2 is going to be bad, far from it, but it’s just not going to compete with something like the Strike Eagle or EFT in terms of raw performance or CAS payload, and the only advantage it will have against them is in terms of radar performance, that is if Gaijin even bothers to improve their poor modeling of AESA, or in instantaneous turn against the F-15E. The time to add the F-2 would have been back in Dance of Dragons.
there is no problem with L-JDAMs, I’m merely laughing at the comparison to the current Gen 4.5s which is just wrong. They’re good, they’re just nowhere near the top.
They could’ve done the same for plenty of the ASM’s in the game and they just refused to? Reminder China hasn’t gotten an ASM on their J-10 or JH-7A that is functionally just an ASM with a glorified Maverick Seekerhead
Same applies to many ASMs that just aren’t in game
Stealth sneaking the missiles is something the 15JM can do easily, and as for dogfighting you’re still inferior to the Gen 4.5s that currently are in the game. So once again, I fail to see the comparison to said Gen 4.5s
I am not against the F-2 being added, in fact I think it should’ve been added with the J-10A in Dance of Dragons. But saying it compares even slightly favorably against the Gen 4.5s? Is uhhh… just wrong. Like an objectively false statement to say the least.
The only real advantage it would have is radar performance… That is if Gaijin doesn’t gimp the crap out of J/APG-2 since their modeling of AESA radars is incredibly shoddy.