Major Update "Heavy Cavalry" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 4)

hi pipimer!!

so russia gets ARMs on literally the majority of thier planes from 11.0 all the way to 14.7 but the UK gets 3, 2 typhoons and 1 tornado

how does that make any sense? even in performance both the AGM-88A and Kh-25MPU have better warheads, better speeds, the same or better seekers like that just doesnt make sense

but whatever its typical gaijin so I dont know why im not surprised

hi!

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AGM-88 HARM for Mig-29 when?

Hello, is its still impossible to create loadout on free jets in nuclear thunder? If it is impossible, then is there any chance we will get such ability any time soon? Existing presets on those jets were rather limited and didnt let player experiment with available weaponry to adjust plane to their preferences.

at this point wish the UK used HARM its clear they have some kinda bias aginst the ALARM as any sane person who has looked at the stats can see the ALARM is worse then even the AGM-88A but we live in a clown world where it apparently cant go below 12.0 while HARMs and KH-25MPUs sit below 12.0 while being better in every aspect

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Currently that’s not possible no, since editing loadouts mid battle is not possible. Suggestions are always welcome for new loadouts for them via the mode feedback, which we can pass for consideration.

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Yeah, I’d also say there’s a lot of significant technical changes that are important in the real world, but the game just doesn’t really represent. This can be things like modifications/additions with no gameplay impact like A/C or APU, entirely different engines or transmissions that seem the same in Gaijins simplified model, anything to do with crew comfort, and so on.
Even things like different ammunition or loadouts that matter in reality can be less unique in game where they might just be excluded for balance or to unify it with similar vehicles in other nations.

And even then, the whole meaning of “C&P” initially means low effort. Basically Gaijin taking an existing model and reusing it instead of doing a different option that would require more effort. Pure C&P like this is really only things like the Thai M60A3, that was copied from an existing model despite not matching reality, but if they altered it to match the Thai tanks then they wouldn’t have been able to just copy it.

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I would also like to add this,
many players argue that subtrees should only contain completely unique vehicles or vehicles that exclusively fill gaps in the main tree. My main issue with this position is that it would reduce subtrees to little more than gap-fillers, likely consisting of only one or two vehicles while excluding many historically significant vehicles.

A subtree should not be judged solely on whether every vehicle offers entirely unique gameplay. If that standard were applied consistently to stuff like main tree’s, a large number of vehicles already present ingame should not qualify either. For example, the OF-40 is, both historically and ingame, pretty much a copy of the Leopard 1. Historically this was because Italy wanted to export the Leopard 1 but was restricted by agreements surrounding their licensed production As a result, they developed the OF-40, it fulfills essentially the same role and offers a very similar gameplay experience, yet few people argue that it should not exist because of that.

So my argument basically boils down to this.
There is a big discrepancy between how trees and subtrees are often treated by the community. Main trees can receive virtually every vehicle they operated, including imported or license-produced vehicles that are very similair to already existing vehicles without much controversy. Subtrees, however, are often expected to clear a much higher bar by the community, with their vehicles being scrutinized much more heavily solely because they belong to a subtree. A vehicle that would be accepted without much fuss in a main tree is often rejected by the community when its apart of a subtree.

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wait son im crine is this AI generated

Could mid battle loadout editing that occurs as soon as you rearm be suggested?

So long as no one has made one it should be able to be suggested. Pretty much anything that fits within the current suggestion rules should be fine to suggest (with a few exceptions).

what happening? Why is there so many “the game is dying post”.

YT propaganda attack

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@Smin1080p_WT Can The shackleton finally recieve its sea searching radar? now that they are ingame

I was wondering on this after someone suggested something in another thread. Back in the day Gaijin added alternative missiles to some planes as placeholders due to technical limitations within the game (example being Fox 3 rollout not being ready so SARH proxies were used to balance).

Would gaijin devs consider doing something similar in the future? An example being say, Hawk 200, it was late in the day when it arrived so was prepped for use with ALARM, however obviously gaijin wouldnt want to plonk 2 ALARMs on it at 11.3 even, but given the plane was given the optional anti radar role, would gaijin consider putting lesser ARMs on in proxy so it can still hold “the same role” it was also advertised for? Similar arguments for something to proxy on Buccaneers for example too (I dont know other nation jets well enough to suggest them, so dont take this as a UK only but for general positioning).

It would be a nice change up for a few of the jets in the 10.x-12.x zone for countries that dont have domestic ARM weapons as they used other systems at the time (such as cluster munitions or highly advanced ARMs like ALARM) which are not in the game or too high in BR.

Even if its something like just giving Shrikes when they arrive into the game I think the community would appreciate the thought on it. I get that gaijin try to make vehicles as realistic as possible where they can, but for gameplay and making things “fair” on a level playing field, it might be a nice balancing idea.

Of course, giving the community another poll to ask if they would be okay with it akin to the APHE testing and reviewing poll that happened would be grand too.

If theres no chance of gaijin considering doing such, fair enough, I just wondered if there was room for it and if so, would make me more interested in pushing the idea going forwards.

People confuse something that they don’t like with the game dying.

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TheCodMineMan posted one of the many complaint videos that CCs have been posting as of late.

Lots of points that people who don’t like looking deeper eat up.

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The aircraft still needs to have technical compatibility for us to consider issuing something. All of those SARH missiles were things that were compatible with those airframes.

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People watched a sloppy yt video and decided the game is dying and theres 20 million issues