i didn’t have a problem until recently, but now with the addition of ships in N.E. all the naval fighters should get their historical loadouts that was for anti-ship, also when Greek Mirages be added i want to have the EXOCET as an opinion it is an amazing missile IRL
It’s based on the Challenger 1 thermal sights, so would be inbetween 1st and 2nd gen, but in WT there is no way to realistically make that distinction matter. So, yes, only zoom would be different from a WT gameplay perspective, sadly enough (even if there are numerous claims by Belgian 1A5BE crews and German crews that the 1A5BE thermal sights were surperior to German ones for identification at long ranges (above 4 km)).
I do think that those would be variants; yes, they’d be almost identical in all gameplay that matters, but not just C&P.
What I mean is that a lot of people misappropriate C&P for a valid argument:
That they don’t want multiple variants of a vehicle in the game that would play almost exactly the same and that looks almost exactly identical.
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Naval Phantom and Rafale are slightly over 1 generation apart which cannot be excused
Is a 650mm KE hull “basically” a 300mm KE one…?
Like, it goes from being vulnerable to 9.3 firepower to being immune to any and all 12.7 firepower xD
Just because two tanks are of the same family of vehicles it doesn’t mean they are copy-pastes.
M4A3E2 is not a copy-paste of M4A2 just “because they are both Shermans”.
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You are going to have a very, very hard time trying to get people on board with this argument. Minute differences that have a zero or near-zero affect on gameplay simply aren’t going to be considered significant enough to make a vehicle unique. And copy-paste is just the widely accepted way to refer to this, even if technically gaijin didn’t just press ctrl-c + ctrl-v because the smoke grenade launchers are angled differently or something.
I would go as far to say that pushing to call vehicles with miniscule irrelevant changes ‘variants’ will end up discrediting vehicles that actually are uniquely modified beyond their initial imported state.
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The issue is like the “I didn’t speak up as I’m X” quote, if you ask me. Yes, calling variants with minor changes C&P (like a FIN and NL 2A4) is justified, but it has begun to snowball to those that are visible variants like the 1A5BE, just because they have the same gun and engine (and Gaijin doesn’t want to give them domestic ammo due to wanting it at X BR).
But at the rate we are going, that snowball will make it so you might as well call the M4A3 (76) W HVSS a C&P of the M4 (and all 75mm Shermans have been C&P for a long time by then) due to both being Shermans or the Spitfire F Mk 24 a C&P of the Spitfire Mk 1a just because both are Spitfires.
And seeing what has been going on, we are far closer to the example of “same family = C&P” than most are ready to admit.
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What? Isn’t it over 400mm LOS with a similar multiplier to 122’s add-on?
I’m asking you this
2 vehicles
Leopard 2
Leopard 2 (but this ones slightly thicker)
Me - But the second one - It’s still a leopard 2 there are now 24 leopard 2’s in game
¯_(ツ)_/¯ - maybe it’s me but i see no difference i could have had a type 10 with APS which is a type 10, it’s actually japanese, it adds to the tech tree and has a unique flair compared to the current type 10 instead i’m an excuse to add a slightly fatter leopard 2
perfect lets remove all T-34, M-4, T-72, T-80, Abrams, Leopards, Challengers, Leclerc’s except one so the game be more unique
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So what are you suggesting?
That there should only be 1-2 variants of each family of vehicles?
Just 2 Leopards? Just 2 Shermans? Just 2 Spitfires? Just 2 T-34s?
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dont forget the SU-25/27, Mig-29s, F-16, F-15, F-104, F-5, Bf-109, FW-190, Me-262, P-51, P-47, all the MI-24 family, AH-64, and many more
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Oops, we’ve deleted WT. As each nation is now 10 vehicles each.
(As when you get down to it, more than 90% of War Thunder is variants)
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looks so good! i love it, it’ll really revolutionize warthunder top tier, good job on fixing copy paste!
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As a Czech patriot i cannot let you do that.
Least you’d get decompression, I’m not saying remove anything but what does another leopard2 add to the game in the long term.
What about the next patch or the patch after that are we only expected to look forward to the next variant of leopard, Abrams or t - something but in a different tree.
How long before every tree is just a copy of the tree next to it?
i mean yea Japan and Germany are now basically the same TT because Japan has a Leopard 2 ( that the German TT doesn’t even have )
its coming to japan so it’ll add variety so they arent stuck playing the same tank since TKX and type 10 are virtually the same aside from some armor buffs