basically all 40mm AA are the worst in class for actual AA at their respective BRs till proxy starts existing, but theyre all greats TDs
They are literally the worst 40mms in game velocity wise with them on average being around 830ms
It wouldn’t be bad if Sweden had reliable CAP for a majority of BRs but that’s not the case either unironically the best SPAA is the 50 cal on the Chaffee and the Bka
Then it’s basically nothing until you get the ASRAD
its unfortunate that both the j26 david and vl pyorremyrsky are event and premium respectively but they are very good
even with the extra 50-200m/s other 40mms get they still arent great at AA, especially the ones that only have one gun
if you can be near cover that you can hide behind the ush 204 is quite good plus the itpsv exists
Ush 204 has no stab and literally has the gun raise far too much on the first burst which gives away your presence and with its terrible mobility and armor and crew it’s just food at 5.3 4.7 would be a better area for it
As for the Leo Marksman it can work as an SPAA but I personally don’t enjoy the wide guns on it reducing the accuracy also it’s a better BMP-2MD at the same BR which is another can of worms.
Also the again I’ll literally take any buff to the 40mm because gaijin has no interest in adding SPAA that we’ve asked for, literally nobody asked for a worse Elde. Nobody asked for another SPAA at 12.0 without a lineup
I’m so sick of using the Chaffee at 5.7 because Sweden lacks any 5.x aircraft or good SPAA
As for the velocity for reference the Veak has 850ms on the best anti air ammo, the ZSU-37-2 has 1000ms and has better fire rate and available ammo pool for burst firing than the Veak. These problems happen with all swedish 40mm
what? thats kinda a non issue or its not significant at least, what range are you shooting from?
that terrrible mobility and armour are the only reason its 5.3 in the first place, if it was any better itd join the r3 at 6.0 or at least be 5.7
fair
are there any buffs to give them?
I try to shoot at about 1km to 800mm with the USH to keep them off my team unfortunately 90% of shots immediately cause the chassis to move from the fire rate of the 20mm on a wheeled chassis with no stabilizer, also lets not forget the R3 has better forwards and reverse Mobility, a short speed stab, 50 cal proof front armor, and 4 crew for only a .7 difference so please don’t try to play the USH as some near equal lol.
Reminder the TPK is also 5.3 and the yestervark is 4.7 both are superior
As for the swedish 40mm yeah a lot lol.
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Very small amount of people. Forum users account for like 1% of the player base, the English speaking section even less than that probably
Nope
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Day 8 of asking gaijin to not split singapore
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a bit far, my experience with the oerlikon20mm is to wait as long as possible 600m or less, even if it means they get 1-2 passes on your team, its better they die after that than never
i quite specifically said if it didnt have half of those issues it would be, i well aware of the toothpaste armour protecting two crew of the thing
yeah ystervark being 4.7 compared to even the r3 is a bit silly let alone the ush204
Again the R3 isn’t just slightly better it’s literally double the USH in every regard it should be a BR and a half above the USH, hell even the BTR-ZD is infinitely better but that thing and the Chinese version at 4.7 are way too low lmao
Day 14 telling Gaijin not to split Singaporean vehicles up.
No idea how long I’ll keep this up tbh.
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You will keep it up for as long as you need to
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double not a whole lot is still not a whole lot bro
its 5.7
and tbh their BRs are fine imo, but the 20mm oerlikons without apds should go down a bit
I Still think it’s enough to make a change I doubt only the English speaking forums are the only ones upset about how the f14D is being added
You never know
You really are just setting yourself up for dissapointment.
people are complaining on all gaijin socials
You act like having the ability to tank 50 cal frontally isn’t strong when the USH dies to 7.62 frontally while also having less crew, survivability is literally double the USH. Let’s also not forget the USH is slower in every aspect especially in acceleration and in reverse, the USH will basically always be stuck at about 40km forwards and 10 in reverse while the R3
Can maintain 60km forwards on most terrain or faster with better acceleration and 30km reverse speed.
All these factors aren’t just small, they greatly increase the R3 significantly over the USH. Not too mention the USH is also permanently stuck at 6.7 times zoom over the R3 and the USH also has a FCS module in the turret which gets taken out everytime it’s shot, which again if you don’t die instantly takes out the ability to shoot and turn the turret.
Yes the R3 totally isn’t better than the USH they are basically the same thing mhm
I really don’t get how you don’t see those negatives and think ah yes those are equal to each other.
Also yeah the ZSD is 5.7 guess it’s been a min since I looked at that apologies
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The R3 is susceptible to 50 cal but only through the windows so I apologize on that front. It’s not entirely immune but that’s a small area to aim for on something running away at 30km
Edit: had to adjust angle for R3 to match frontal view of USH
what are you on about, i never said they were equal. there is a reason they have different BRs, i said if the ush didnt have half of its problems they would be more equal
yes, the ush should go down, its on par with the ystervark sure, but the r3 is not deserving of its br either atm, in general 20mm hvap is practically useless but no vehicle with it has really changed BR to reflect that since it was changed, which affects the r3 the most because it was basically the only one that had it and went to its current BR before the AP was changed, its like a 5.3 at most
But realistically it and a lot of the other vehicles with 20mm guns, the USH, r3, sub-i-ii should get scouting like the amx10p and wiesel1a4 do because theyre all little recon cars or APCs (in the case of amx10p and sub-i-ii) and then honestly they would perform a lot better at their BRs
im well aware of the nothing armour of the ush, as I have already said
Tbf it was the M18 and R3 on Italy that got me my nukes lol, Breda too that thing is just a proper bully but unlike the yestervark, USH and TPK the R3 is just the best elements of all of them. It’s definitely in a annoying spot because people like myself won’t stop using it as a LT hunter and yeah HVAP is terrible but again the R3 is simply leagues better than its contemporaries with the same gun and it deserves to be arguably 1.3 or 1.7 BR higher than them because it’s such a effective multirole platform unlike the others.
I used to have a clip of me just non penning a M50 Ontos from the side with the R3 at like 200m 😭😭
All of them are mid SPAA but of all of them only the Yestervark really sits at a solid SPAA. 4.7 USH wouldn’t help Sweden given they have no lineup, imo it should be removed from the TT as it simply serves no purpose.
Imo they probably could go down to 4.0 at the lowest with the Yestervark being the closest to the R3 at maybe 1.0 to .7 BR difference from the R3
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