Major Update "Firebirds" - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 3)

That and maybe we can see an equivalent to the Pantsir? Even giving something to China would break the SPAA monopoly for better at top tier right now.

That is always my biggest complaint with a low performance CAS like a Tornado vs a Pantsir. Its not necessarily that I cant fight back, but I either have to AF spawn (where im low and slow for quite a while) or immediately go on the defensive and loose any chance of proper position to strike back.

Especially when you consider that something like an Su-25SM3 spawns beyond the range of most other SPAAs

In addition to moving airspawns further back, they should also increase the speed at which you spawn at by around 100-200kt imo. Might make a suggestion for that at some point, but need to gather some data on exact spawn speeds first.

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Yeah, she is a beauty too!

I can see an argument to be made for that, and i don’t honestly know enough about both to make a full assessment though I would point out that F-22 has a higher T/W on in-game Min-fuel which might edge it through particularly in a rate-fight at low speed vs the Su-57 even with ‘only’ 2d thrust vectoring.

It has been started, they are just deciding what customer-specific modules will be fitted, for example whether Germany will choose to fit PIRATE serially to these and whether it will include AMK>

Frankly in-game I think it’s pilots will ‘urinate’ (i don’t want a ban) all its speed away with one very very hard turn and then get themselves energy trapped. And if Gaijin adds some sort of binding to activate TVC then to be honest I highly doubt a stealth fighter can out-rate a dedicated rate-fighter with all the aerodynamic tradeoffs it has to have, particularly when EFT T/W and F-22 T/W are very close on min-fuel assuming no channel loss for F-22 and factoring correct channel loss for EFT and EFT has no aerodynamic tradeoffs.

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Su-57 was designed so that it could almost always sit inside the turn circle of an opponent, and couple that with high off-boresight IR missiles, a ratefight would be ill-advised. The F-22 will have a much better chance in a one circle, though it still comes down to fuel load and skill of the pilot.

Actual WVR fights are rare nowadays. But with the prevalence of HOBS IR missiles, nose-pointing ability is beginning to take a priority over energy retention. You only really force rate now if it is guns only.

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The word youre looking for is piss

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I mean a low speed (like stall speed where the nose is only in the air due to the TVC) rate fight, like when both are virtually falling out of the air trying to get nose on, in such an instance 2d vs 3d TVC will make virtually no difference as its all happening in the 2d plane, in which case my assumption is that the F-22’s higher T/W will generate a larger moment and I’m not 100% sure that the SU-57’s Levcons will be able to compensate for that.

Proper flaring techniques and pyrophoric flares could mitigate that going forwards but I do agree to some extend, I think its more valid against the F-22 than the Su-57 because the F-22 currently has no HMS and whilst the radar is AESA and has good margins i suspect there is a reality where once you’re out of the danger zone, its more valid to rate fight (thats assuming there is a merge at all)…

This discussion is part of the reason i have absolutely no interest in them adding 5th generation aircraft whatsoever or adding them without a hard-lock matchmaking.

That is indeed the word

My poor chaparral which can’t lock a Heli beyond 2km (and can’t hit IRCM Heli’s at all), or jets beyond 2-4km, being spawned a further 5km away from where it’s needed sounds awful ngl lol.

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Half a year has past.
Here is part 2:

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Good. I will post my words there as well.

Btw the cockpit of the strike eagle is that of a very late version
The variant of the upfront control pannel under the hud was introduced with the Slam Eagle iirc and was later retrofitted to US Strike Eagles.
So the F-15E we have has the wrong radar if you take cockpit and weapon selection into account.

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Btw is discord down ?

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Yes. I’m having issues too.

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Ok thank you

It’s working again now

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Good morning gentlemen, happy Sunday.

The sun has risen. The birds are singing. The church bell rings. What a beautiful day.

Time to spend it coping and seething because a pixel plane in my favourite game isn’t coming with the missile I want it to have.

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Gib missile
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I’m just hoping the update drops on Tuesday instead of Thursday, I’m not sure I can do a nightshift when my beloved Scimitar is right there smh

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Same, I have the wednesday off so tuesday would also be ideal for me. I need to get my Sabra, F-15E/I and OSA (Italy) asap.

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Imagine it not having been Sunday for 19 hours already.