But aren’t there like three generations of “AZUR” the kit, and the last iteration seen (UAE expo?) allegedly is NERA?
All must be NERA (not a name, just that it don’t explode if hit, unlike ERA).
And the other is CLARA, but i’m not a pro of UEA protection perhaps i mixup.
That’s a Leclerc with CLARA kit afaik.
AZUR/CLARA
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I suppose youre right lol but all Western ERA is at the minimum 30mm resistant so we can say roughly 120mm KE id guess which would help quite a lot in WT to be properly modeled
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Must be because you want it to be, or must be because that’s what it is in real life?
Resistant =/= immune! I hate to be persnickety, and I hope we see some marginal buffs to BRENNUS, but I don’t think the NATO protection requirement is even for sabot munitions at that caliber but the “standard” AP shell.
I do believe it is rated for Sabot but I could be wrong I have 0 proof on hand
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Likewise, lmao.
AZUR should be NERA but you know, gaijin being gaijin
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Added pictures
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iirc, CLARA is ERA
So probably Chally 2 levels of first gen ERA because it’s western
Because that’s NERA IRL xD, not because i want it.
It’s Gaijin doing bad work and puting NERA protection kit acting like ERA.
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Oh ok my bad on that then.
To be honest, NERA is hard to model with fidelity. ERA too. For now, we still don’t have actual ERA simulation. It’s merely a calculation that reduces shell penetration by type and per percentage. I can’t even imagine coding SLERA into the game tbh…
They certainly should provide better protection than they do currently in game, and some examples like the ERA on the Challenger 2 TES… it should have something like 3-4x the CE protection it does now
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/hUjNza9bvJyP
but also higher KE protection
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/LIQZc0VjpdM4
Even this really annoying nugget where they model it with aluminium instead of steel for god knows what reason
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/POJj1VwLKZRk
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They could fix the whole eastern ERA problem with one tiny thing, anti ERA tipped shells :p
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Yep there is that, They model western ERA badly and probably model soviet ERA to be too strong and then dont model the fact most NATO shells can pen soviet era ERA :D
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They’d need to (and should) overhaul the entire penetration mechanic at that rate. Darts have some modelling, but I don’t think they’re fully modelled. Armor certainly isn’t modelled correctly.
I mean that’s definitely an oversimplification, and Soviet ERA is quite good…
What isnt in War Thunder?
I still personally reckon that the relative level protection provided by soviet ERA vs NATO shells would be no different than Soviet shells vs NATO ERA. To the point where the difference in protection comes from the tank design, base armour and spall liners and the ERA is for the most part irrelevant to the debate.
if nothing else, we already see in-game tanks like the Abrams fielding the previous generation of shell (From the 1990s I think) and not the shell it actually entered into service with in 2008 because it would leave the soviets way too far behind in the dust, and yet the 2018? T-80BVM has its correct shell as far as I am aware.
I think they really need to put some effort into a ground up overhaul of ERA in this game
Laught in OFL F1
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challengers with L15 APDS flashbacks
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I agree 100% shrapnel is far too inconsistent penetration on certain angles is far too inconsistent (somewhat due to volumetric ofc) and some darts do nothing when they should
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