spall is mainly determined by how much penetration left after pen the armor, so as long as it keeps the 1200mm penetration, with new heavy warhead spall model, it can easily kill by 1 shot.
you can see how powerful the new spall model is.
AGM-114K
iirc the spall buff was based on the caliber of the missile all missiles over 170mm got buffed, the ones under like the kornets or atakas didnt get it
YES, only the large ones get the new spall model. not sure the demarcation of caliber because we have nothing between
I still routinely find myself needing to hit targets with 2 (sometimes more) Hellfires to get a kill. Im expecting Brimstones to be the same The issue is that they aim for centre mass, not weakspots like they should. Also with the heavier ERA at top tier and the introduction of more APS, they’ll only be even more mitigated at top tier.
Also… Aircraft dont only exist for GRB. There are air modes too, Brimstones would be fun in ASB and the main reason I want them
(though considering how bad britain’s ground vehicles are at the moment, a very strong CAS is needed to compensate and its unlikely the GR4 will get ASRAAM, so not a lot it will do vs an F-16C or F-15C or Gripen or Su-27SM)
not sure about AGM-114, but from what I see, AGM-65, which aim for centre mass, can get at least 2 kill out of 3 shot in average, I think Brimstone can do better.
Almost certainly a smaller warhead than the AGM-65
but you still get kills with a single missile, so saying that it will take 2 or 3 on average is missleading, you can probably get 7-9 kill out a load of 12, as not all targets in war thunder are mbts
1200mm to 830mm
They may mitigate Brimstones by not mounting them on the wing pylons. This was rarely done IRL, so not wholey unrealistic. So that drops the count down from 18 missiles to 12.
If they are the dual mode seeker variant and have a hard requirement for a Tpod, then that reduces the count from 12 down to 9.
Are you saying a Tonrado IDS with 9x Brimstones is more OP at top tier than something like an F-16C with 6x AGM-65s?
Even with the full 12, the likelyhood of getting all 12 off is remote without repeated passes. Which icnrease the likelyhood of CAP that will kill you. We wont know till we see them in game, but im personally expecting ot just ripple fire off 2x missiles per target, perticularly MBTs (which are the most common at top tier) and maybe if I see an IFV or something, just fire 1. Though even then, Ive seen a few survive a hellfire before. Something like a Pantsir though, would give Britain its first aircraft that mtight actually hard coutner it. By giving us something that can overwhelm it with missiles that it can just shoot down. Especially if ALARM was also added to surpress its radar (if ALARMs can even target it that is)
What BR in air sim do we expect the Tornado GR.4 to be?
No higher than 12.0 (assuming no ASRAAM)
I already think the Tornado Gr1, ASSTA1 and A200A should be at 11.3 not 11.7 and if they are to remain at 11.7 should get Aim-9Li/Aim-9M or BOL.
Tornado Gr4 would have BOL, Aim-9M (as placeholder for ASRAAM) and MAWS via TERMA (if modeled) But overall, its still just a Tornado Gr1 at its core.
Would be really hard to justify anything higher than 12.0 and even that is a bit of a stretch (but 12.0 would be at least managable)
well, youre making assumptions, btw we all know that the moment that they limit the load you will start making bug reports about that.
And?
We have year old bug reports for Harrier Gr7 having 6x AGM-65 and the CR1/CR2 having a ready rack larger than 4 shells. Have you seen either be fixed? Gaijin ignores british bug reports all the time.
It would be a valid bug report to report, but just because its reported, doesnt magically mean it will be fixed, espcially as loadout options are always balancing decisions.
You are also making assumptions that Brimstones will one shot everything.
I think 6 would be powerful enough, can provide 4-5 kill. and the rest pylons can be filled by other weapons.
what does this mean
you should know that, Mi-35M has half of it’s missiles for a long time
according to wikipedia the warhead is only 6.3kg which is smaller then hellfires by about half a kg, AGM-65Ds have a 39kg warhead, they will not be more lethal
That to equip brimstones, it also needs you to equip a tpod.
Considering its still a Tornado IDS we are talking about and not a highly nimble Gen 4+ fighter that is capable of self defence (assuming no ASRAAM) I think 9-12 is perfectly reasonable.
never said they will…
btw it is quite funny that you start comparing it with the f16 an a post later you state that it will be " no higher than 12. 0"
I explained. Though when hit a light armored vehicle, AGM-65 can easily over pressure, AGM-114 can’t. It’s long story explain this, so I only give the result.
Will be no higher than 12.0 in ASB. Air Sim.
Do you really consider the Torando Gr1, ASSTA1 or A200A to be 12.7+ worthy in ASB?
GRB and ASB are 2 very, very different gamemodes
the su 25 is, so i see no reason as to why it shouldn’t unless it doesnt get anything better than an aim 9L
