Thats a completely different comparison.
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It’s supposed to be good to get copypaste and stuff you do not want ? the f16 fill no better role than the mirage except in air with how lacking the mica em is in terms of energy is and instead of those leo we could have some leclerc that actually have no armor this time at a lower br.
Nobody playing France want those f16 or leo because they only feel like an insult, the f16 is barely unique to make sense to be added there.
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Or one of the many Asean F-16’s
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Or the Thai F5TH since they seemed to be planning on adding Thailand
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Ah yes. Double standards when Germany is involved. I bet people think germany should be stuck in the Leo2a4 and f4F early
Can we please stop assuming that the same development time and resources that are/wete being put in the Dutch Leopards would be put into other French vehicles?
If the Dutch Leopards wouldn’t be coming, the dev time and resources would likely just be put into the next vehicle on the planning list, no matter which nation.
Well actually it’s Gaijin fault, MICA have too much drags (and not enough acceleration if i remember).
Alongside they are far from the supposed 80km of range they have IRL.
I still didn’t reach the M2K, but yeah no way i grind/play F16s over the 2000s, if i want to play F16s i would have grinded USA. That’s the problem with subTT and lack of originality at the end.
if at least they would have given the magics 2 loadout to one of the F-16s (don’t remember wich one), at least this would give some originality, even if really low one.
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I mean that they will just fill the spot and it make no incentive for gaijin to actually see for them and fix the numerous issues with the french tt.
Germany literally only has problems NOW not when Gen 4s were being introduced you cannot compare these situations I never said Germany shouldnt get something for filler just stated Japan wouldve fallen behind significantly, Germany at LEAST has the weapons to keep up we didnt even have that
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In this case its the armour, its a very thinly armoured ship reliant on angling, however I am worried some shells may just ignore the angling to some degree. Still I think against other ships, she will be better than Renown due to better shell dispersion, equivalent RoF, armour and speed.
VS smaller 11"shells from scharnhorst it might be effective, i doubt anything more than that though.
I think both sisters will be put at 7.0 or 6.7 as both have weak armour unangled, Stras just is slightly less weak. The issue we have is there is nothing to bridge the gap between the relatively ‘okay’ Dunkerques and the relatively good Richelieu’s.
Reload is anywhere between 45 seconds and 30 seconds, it was very very iffy and flawed irl. Penetration should be good though, better than Scharnhorst and the shell had so much HE filler for its calibre it was arguably a SAP round, so it won’t suffer with low HE filler like other small calibre guns.
You will have to be careful to not show too much of the bulkhead or the belt, too much of either and shells will easily go right through.
Just the Deutschland class, originally it was just supposed to counter heavy cruisers, then those popped up so it was made bigger to counter Deutschland’s, that’s why its protected against low weight 11" shells, then Scharnhorst, Bismarck and the Littorio’s popped up, which prompted the Richelieu’s.
Dunkerque is better. The design of the Dunkerque and Richelieu classes is copied and then modified from the British Nelson classes, this can be seen not only in the placement of the guns which you could argue is not copying but also the shape of the citadel is also inspired by the Nelson class, this isn’t a bad thing, but just some historical context. However a carryover from this is the better ammunition placement.
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Yeah i forgot to put that in my comment, mirage should be able to both have a really good fox 3 at short and medium range for sure not as fast as aim 120 but it would make it possible to launch them from far away.
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Barham part 2 with a BC shell? Sign me up
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It is the same problem. Both nations needed/need fillers. Im not against Japan F16Aj. I just dont like the hate towards the idea of Germany getting something they dont use.(AKA Swiss F-18 or F16 from somewhere).
So if people says Germany need to wait but F16Aj was needed, this is double standards.
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Theres literally no hate about Germany getting Swiss filler lmao but all the hate about the AJ
The only thing that was said is that France should get the joint Swiss project vehicles
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Because gaijin not ready 4.5 gen fighter aircraft with modern AESA radar 3 years
Maybe 2030
PESA and early AESA radars are coming sooner than later whether the community wants it or not. Gaijin has a plan to push
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Funnily enough Barhams SAP is SAPCBC however her AP shell is literally just APHE with no ballistic cap, not sure why iirc she can also get an APCBC shell in that years configuration.
But this is a lot of filler per volume for an APC shell, it has nowhere near equivalent filler for a SAP shell. But it has ~20kg of filler which is about average for an APC shell around the same as Hood’s 15" shell. Though i’m not sure what the equivalent is in TNT as it uses some weird post-war French compound i’ve never seen before and noone else used so it’s not in-game yet.
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Fifth gens will be coming by the end of 2025 mark my words.
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mark my word , 2050 we still dont have are AMX-13-100 (dutch) , even tho wee have them as a sub now
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Well, she’s gonna meet class of ships that are way modern against what she was build for so… xD
A little tast of DoA as usual, we know that taste very well.
Perhaps this would help for fire in ammo storage too, a little like for modern tank armor between crew and ammo (forgot the word). Sure it’s not an invicible wall but i hope this could still bring something.
In BBs perhaps, but in cruiser, we have cold war one that could go perfectly in between as help, like the Dakka colbert.
And good news if Gaijin give her really good shells to balance the light armor (and potential slow reload, i’m scared about that), more pen and more spicy than scharnorst shells is cool.
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