I also really really want the F15K
South Korea fits Japans needs perfectly plus with their improving relations I quite enjoy the idea
I can see why Thailand piques peoples interest though, seeing a T84 and VT4 in the Japanese tech tree would be interesting, Id also get my beloved T-50 and we could get a Suped up F-5 I need to research
Ngl I kinda want the F-5T now.
F-5TH Cockpit
Thing can operate AMRAAMs, Python 3/4 and 5, Derby, Magics, 9L/M, IRIS-T basically everything under the sun
Better engines then current F5E engines as well with a significantly better radar too, seems like a cool little jet
Can someone tell me where people are getting the idea of the Gripen having more thrust then it should?
It only makes sense to go to Japan, as it would provide nothing to the US they dont already have.
It would make sense gameplay wise but so would every other country with a strong army by this logic, you could essentially ask for Turkey to be in Japanese Tree.
It’s at this point asking for a random country to be added to Japan making another exception for them.
Its far from random though?.
Elaborate then.
One moment I need to spoiler this
They both have strong ties to the US thus has led the 2 nations since the 60’s to iron out their problems with eachother and has created a bond of sorts if you will between the 2 nations as they have been trying for many years to become closer allies, this year particularly they have improved relations significantly and they have come together militarily to support eachother against both of their major threats in China and North Korea, it only makes sense for these 2 nations to join eachother in one TT.
They also happen to be in very very similar positions militarily as they become more independent and develop their own tech and begin exploring export oppritunities thus ending up in the same position, not to mention the fact that literally everything South Korea offers Japan they need, CAS more light tank options, more MBTs as we are out basically, more SAMs for the future, a larger air tree in the top end and helicopters, hell even their Brown water (Coastal) Navy would be nice in the long run if possible.
Another point, they also happen to be Asian nations that face the same threat in the Pacific and both have strategic locations that would be beneficial to one another.
Theres more to add but its 4:30 am and I cant be bothered.
Last thing, they have strong economical ties as well.
Oh actually they just happened to train together recently too neat.
The US has been the one trying to push both countries into becoming allies but South Korea only sees this security cooperation for the prosperity and security of the region. Besides that South Korea is not obligated to aid Japan if attacked.
The rest i have read has no justification for South Korea to become a sub tree for Japan, non of the things you mentioned have been applied to the current sub trees in-game. The sub trees in-game have/had either a defensive (military) alliance, shared military tech or joint-developed something Japan does not have with South Korea.
So as mentioned before it’s at this point asking for random country to Japan making more exceptions for them simply because both are Asian countries which have ties the US.
South Africa is a sub tree due to being a Commonwealth nation until 1961.
Finland is a sub tree due to having close political ties with Sweden.
Hungary is a sub tree due to being a minor Axis nation.
None of these reasons have anything to do with tech.
i can see the arguments for and against a south korean subtree to japan but i’m personally more for than against since thailand pretty much only has copy paste to offer
I only would want Thailand for the Juiced F-5 and the T84 Oplot/VT-4
yeah the T-84 being in japan via thailand would be a bit cursed but at least less problematic than ukraine
“wElL um ActhUallY” (Sorry couldn’t help myself. What is existence if we cannot laugh at ourselves?) So yes, Brazil did fight in Italy during World War 2. However, Brazil did not fight Italy. They fought in Italy, to liberate Italy from Germany. Italian deserters even joined the Brazilian Expeditionary Force’s ranks to join in fighting the Germans and foolish fascist Italian forces remaining in Italy. Some members of the Expeditionary Force married Italian women during their time in Italy.
I don’t want to crowd the thread with a large post, so for those interested in a history lesson, click the spoiler to know more.
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Brazil declared independence from Portugal in 1822, and in 1826 the Duchy of Parma recognized their independence. In 1827 an ambassador from the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies arrived in Brazil. In 1836 Guiseppe Garibaldi went into exile in Brazil and he assisted in the separatist movement for the Brazilian State of Rio Grande do Sul, he would then leave Brazil in 1848 and return to Italy. There he fought in military campaigns that led to Italian unification. In 1861, Brazilian Emperor Pedro II recognized the Kingdom of Italy under King Victor Emmanuel II, and in November of that year, Italy opened a diplomatic mission in Rio de Janeiro. A decade later in October of 1871, Emperor Pedro II traveled to Italy as a part of his European tour.
In 1875, Brazil began to promote migration to the country to grow its population size. Doing this they created colonies largely in rural areas for Italians and Europeans to migrate to. From the years 1880 to 1920, more than a million Italians immigrated to Brazil.
During World War I, Brazil declared war on the Central Powers following the events of several Brazilian merchant ships being sunk and captured. So in WWI Brazil and Italy fought together.
Now the Carro Veloce L3/38 was developed in 1938. In 1937, Brazil ordered 24 L3/38s which arrived in 1938 and were designated CV33/II. In 1938, Brazil ordered 18 L3/35s designated CV33/I, 12 of which were retrofitted to meet the specifications of the L3/38.
As war broke out in Europe, Brazil remained neutral until the 22nd of August 1942, when, and to no one’s surprise, German U-boats sank six Brazilian ships in the Atlantic leaving Brazil to declare war on Germany and Italy. (Germany really out there trying to gain the achievement of Public Enemy #1. ) During the war, Brazil sent an Expeditionary Force consisting of 23,000 soldiers who took part in the Italian Campaign. Brazilian forces fought predominantly in Tuscany and Emilia-Romagna regions.
So was there any bad blood created between the two countries due to World War II?
To be honest, the answer might surprise you. As soon as October 16th, 1944. Italy signed an agreement with the US on September 8th, 1943 to cease hostilities against the Allies and to cut ties with Germany. Italy then declared war on Germany on October 13th, 1943, and so the Germans took over Rome. Brazil’s Expeditionary Force of 25,334 troops arrived in Naples in July 1944. On October 16th, 1944, diplomatic relations were restored between Italy and allied countries including Brazil. Around the end of October, the Brazilian forces incorporated 50 Italian deserters into their own ranks to make up for combat losses, totaling 322.
From then onward Italian-Brazilian relations only improved with both countries agreeing to several bilateral accords.
In regard to my saying minor axis, I am wrong. But really it isn’t so much Allies and Axis beyond WWII.
Personally, I would like to see Brazilian vehicles in the game. They have some rather unique and interesting vehicles. I see several comments of ruffled feathers to my prior statement of transplanting the Hungarian subtree. I would say to add Brazil as an additional subtree, but had been informed that the tech tree lines are limited to 5 lines.
Bernardini is a Brazilian defense company founded by Italian immigrants.
Here are some of the tanks they made:
CCL X1A1 Carcara
CCL X1A2 Carcara
MB-3 Tamoyo 1
MB-3 Tamoyo 2-105
M41C Uparmored
M41C with Super 90
Here is Egnesa and the EE-18 Sucuri II which uses the OTO-Melara 105
It’d be cool to see any of these even as event vehicles, premiums, or even in the tech tree. Brazilian armor gets complex fast but super fascinating.
The Tamoyos reminded me of a tank I would love to see added to Italy, Leonardo’s M60A3. Maybe that is what Gaijin devs are working on this update for Italy ground (if any at all)?
None of it ever has tbh. This is where I suggested the idea of Brazil subtree to Italy based on a few pieces of tech, a Brazilian company founded by an Italian immigrant, and Italy and Brazil’s very long-standing diplomatic relations.
I agree. Brazil is what I reckon would have been best.
Any update’s on F15 Wings?
This is not entirely correct. They did not fight against Italy. Italy by 1944 had already declared war on Germany. Brazil was there to help liberate Italy from the Germans, some Italians even joined their ranks in fighting the German occupiers. This is why Brazil’s diplomatic relations were restored in the same year with Italy.
hopium SAAF JAS39C can be add in weekend
