MAA1's and AMX-A1A once again

Once again reporting this because it feels like an complete disrespect to the brazilian community on this game.

Into the A/A
It sits at 11.0 atm, launched at 11.3 and thats all gaijin did to this plane. a .3 br lower and it still sits at a higher br than the tech tree version, in theory the MAA1 is an incredible missile, 45G’s sounds amazing till you realize it doesnt really turn 45G at any moment.
I’ve been saying this for ages since i got this plane, it doest make sense to be a higher br than the tech tree version, while both are already bad enough for air modes it is valid to say that the italian amx is just as good as the brazilian one or even better since the 9L is much more consistent overall and the gun is much easier to use than the slow velocity defa’s on the brazilian one.

Also going for the A/G situation on this plane.
It sits at 11.3 in GRB which is simply ridiculous for a subsonic plane that only gets laser guided bombs, at this BR your facing TOR-M1’s, Rolands, ADATS, and sometimes even pantsir. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE to use it on a CAS role.

What im really suggesting here is to bring the A1A to 10.7 on both air and ground battles, placing it in pair with the tech tree one at least.

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Yep, agreed. I can’t really see any meaningful reason why it would be higher than the TT version in either game mode.

And especially in Air, it shouldn’t be a higher BR than aircraft like the Hawk 200 or Hawk 209

MAA-1s are a sidegrade to the 9L and an upgrade sometimes. They aren’t better than 4x 9Ls

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i agree… amx-a1 should be 10.7 in air,ground and sim battle.

  1. piranha cant pull 45g + This missile is easily avoided with flares
  2. this jet slow and always meet f4s,j,mig23,ja37 and other jet have good radar dan missile( arb)
  3. cant bomb base because slow( f4s,mig23,mig21 team always bomb base ) or farming ground (arb)
    sry im bad english
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Actually, I partially disagree here.

Whilst yes, they are 1 flare defeat most of the time, their one redeaming quality is that they are rather fast off the rails. Meaning a target relatively close (like 1.5-2km away) might not be able to react in time and if they do, ive had the MAA-1s still hit the target. A 9L which is slower, would have had more time to see the flare and react.

But that is largely where the strengths end for it in ARB (ASB the short burn motor gives them a psuedo-smokeless motor which allows you to rat with it)

But in either case. Its not enough to justify being higher than the AMX or equivalents

Well Ive seen quite alot of those miss because the enemy shot an missile even while hes full afterburner, from what i know , the maa is a bit better against targets above you or very close, and the 9L is stronger on the other aspects specially at longer distances

There is a sweet spot for the MAA-1 because it does also have a slightly longer guidance delay and is much faster off the rails. So too close and the MAA-1 is probably actually worse than a 9L.

But 9Ls maintain their energy better over long distances because the motor burns for longer and so maintains the energy for a longer period of time and has more Delta-V. But its not a huge difference overall.

So it really can flip-flop from shot to shot which is better

Yeah, and tbh, id say the flight model on this plane makes this missile feel even worse than it is, such an bad airframe overall

Yeah, theyd be quite fun on something supersonic

The Piranhas aren’t even accurate to real life

woah woah woah… Easy now… accurately modeled missiles? You are asking for waaaaaaaaaay too much

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Tbf, you don’t exactly support accurately modeled missiles either, so it’s interesting you make that comment.

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Talking about this ? Votes against historical fix and minutes later makes a comment about historical accuracy smh

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You mean like Aim-9Ms having IRL lock ranges? Or AMRAAM getting smokeless motors and range fixes? or SRAAMs and Red Tops getting seeker fixes?

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Yeah, that’s the one. It’s just interesting that the two actions were minutes apart.

You do realize I support all of those? It’s just that your words are pretty empty when you’re asking for historical fixes but then voting no on historical fixes. Mind you, Red Tops ended up getting their reports for range fixed following a very popular thread that I made pushing for those Red Tops fixes. You don’t seem exactly inclined to return that favor.

Yeah. I dont think it needs any further buffs to what its already had so far, let alone what it seems to be getting this major update and quite frankly. I dont trust bug reporting from the french communtiy at the moment, I think every single change the Rafale and Mica EM had over hte past 2 years needs to be thoroughly reviewed. Already seeing AASMs getting nerfed because a fake source was discovered this major for example.

But if the MICA EM gets a massive top speed buff ontop of what its already gotten. Then it needs a BR increase, as does the Mirage 2ks. Rafale and Mirage 2K are probably still under BRed.

MICA merely got historical fixes along with most other Fox 3. You are just selectively asking for historical fixes, which makes your takes pretty empty in my opinion. You can’t ask for both worlds at the same time

And as far as I know, they were all reviewed following the AASM report

That’s the whole point of statistics BR balancing tho. And rafale as of now is not the best in terms stats anymore. Neither is the M2K-5F much better than most other jets at 14.0.
And arguably the R-77-1 might become much more dangerous than MICA at medium range, following historical fixes as well. But I guess since it’s not a missile carried by the EFT, you’d also like any of its fixes removed entirely

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We’re not talking about “buffs”. We’re talking about historical fixes. Either we’re for that or we’re not. I have not ever denied or declined for fixes for your side.

The concern about the validity of the report doesn’t count here. The report I was referencing to in the thread has the evidence/source literally linked so anyone can look at it themselves.

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Except we’re not talking about any of that. We’re talking about how in principle, any pleas or requests from you in regards to historical fixes can be ignored now since you have no issue denying/declining it for others, right?

I really dont see the comparison between MAA-1 which is a pretty weak missile, on one of the weakest 11.0 aircraft in-game to be better modeled is like the best Fox-3 in-game which about to become game breakingly OP again, not getting buffed enough.

and pot calling the kettle black a bit though, given that every. single. time any other nation got ANY new weapons of ANY kind, even ones that were a straight downgrade to what we already had. Like When the Typhoon got C5s intiially. You made a thread begging for MASSIVE buffs or even just straight better weapons, despite Rafales steamrolling every single lobby because "the MICA EM has less range, its unfair… "

You hide behind “oh we want historical accuracy” with an aircraft that even a blind man, blindfolded, in a pitch black cave, at night, can see is overperforming.

have you bug reported the drag being waaaaaaaay too low at high speeds yet?

So no. I dont think the MICA EM. Needs more buffs. Ontop of the buffs its already gotten, when we are still waiting for everyone else to even start to catch up interms of performance. Rafale could keep the current dev server MICA -EMs for the next year or 2 and theyd probably still be some of the best missiles in-game

Not even remotely the same, asking for fixes that in your opinion would be overpowered is not the same as denying fixes for others.

I never asked for better weapons, like Meteor. Interestingly though, you were the one to call for Meteor when others got AIM-120D and the like.

Rafale should not be accelerating past Mach 2 // Gaijin.net // Issues

Yes I did, I in fact used a primary source as well yet Gaijin foolishly denied it.

The point is you can’t be surprised from now on if I or others start replying to any comments from you asking for historical fixes from now on, you know that right?

Youve been wanting MICA-NGs though.

and yes. Because do you know how bad Aim-120s are? like seriously? MICA EM vs Aim-120C5s was like comparing an Aim-9B with a Magic II and calling them balanced. All whilst wanting the Magic II to be buffed even further

Its frustrating that update after update the Typhoon is denied basic bug fixes and buffs that come to every other nation.

Heck… we dont even have a UV fiter yet.

yeah, and you knwo that myself and most other non-french of members of the community is going to be challenging every single source, every single buff request and wanting triple and quadruple checking ot make sure the sources arent fake.

and quite frankly. I think its time to relook at whether the Rafale F3 should even have 8 missiles again based upon what little ive seen so far of the MICA-EM on the dev server. Might easily be 8x free kill once again

But sure, French mains suffer and need their OP misisles to be even more OP, because otherwise its unfair