Ma-Dan - Japanese Special Incendiary Ammunition -

The Ma-Dan (マ弾) is a special incendiary shell developed by the Imperial Japanese Army.

A key feature is that it lacks a fuse; instead, it detonates due to the frictional heat generated upon impact. It was developed primarily to puncture fuel tanks and ignite the fuel inside.

The 7.7mm Ma-101 was the first to be developed, followed by 12.7mm, 20mm, 30mm, and finally 37mm versions.

It was recently announced that updates to improve bomber survivability are coming, making it even more important to accurately target pilots, engines, and “fuel tanks.”

Given this, it is believed that the “Ma-Dan” will play a crucial role in the game as well.

This thread will compile information on ammunition corresponding to the Ma-Dan (including similar naval ammunition). Since there are many unknowns, please feel free to share any information you have in the comments.

7.7 mm

Ma-101

  • Gun
    Type 89 Fixed MG, Type 89 Swivel MG, Te-1, Te-4
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    IAI
  • Projectile Mass
    10.7 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/PETN
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : ? g, Inside : ? g
    (Total less than 0.89 g, according to U.S. military survey data)
  • Incendiary Mass
    None
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 0.8 mm or thicker
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Catalog Of Enemy Ordnance Materiel

7.7mm MG Incendiary Ammunition Model 2 (IJN)

  • Gun
    Type 92 Swivel MG, Type 97 Fixed MG
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    IAI
  • Projectile Mass
    9.8 g
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/Aluminum
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : 0.24 g, Inside : 0.26 g
  • Incendiary Mass
    None
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 0.8 mm or thicker (guess)

Related Reports
Japanese 7.7mm navy and army IAI rounds are missing HE filler. // Gaijin.net // Issues

7.92 mm

Ma-104

  • Gun
    Type 98 Swivel MG, Type 1 Swivel MG (IJA)
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    AI?
  • Projectile Mass
    11.64 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/PETN
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : ? g, Inside : ? g
  • Incendiary Mass
    None
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 0.8 mm or thicker

Related Reports
IJA 7.92mm : incorrect ammunition data // Gaijin.net // Issues

7.9mm MG Incendiary Ammunition Model 2 (IJN)

  • Gun
    Type 1 Swivel MG (IJN)
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    AI?
  • Projectile Mass
    ? g
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/Aluminum
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : 0.26 g, Inside : 0.70 g
    (Inside: 0.70 g is an unusually high amount, so this may be a typographical error.)
  • Incendiary Mass
    None
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 0.8 mm or thicker (guess)

Related Reports
7.92mm Type 1 MG (IJN) : Incorrect ammunition data // Gaijin.net // Issues

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昭和19年3月 飛行長主管兵器(第2類)説明資料(1)

12.7 mm

Ma-102

  • Gun
    Ho-103
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    HEF-I
  • Projectile Mass
    32.918 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/PETN
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : 1.65 g, Inside : 1.05 g
  • Incendiary Mass
    1.05 g
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker
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Japanese Ammunition Leaflets, Section B (1945)

航空機用12.7粍機関砲弾薬「マ102」検査法

13.2 mm

13mm MG Incendiary Ammunition Model 2 (IJN)

  • Gun
    Type 3 Fixed MG
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    IAI
  • Projectile Mass
    47.2 g
  • Explosive Type
    Tip : RDX/PETN, Inside : RDX/Aluminum
  • Explosive Mass
    Tip : 1.0 g, Inside : 1.3 g
  • Incendiary Mass
    None
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    ?
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CINCPAC Bulletin 85 45, Japanese Projectiles Vol 1

20 mm

Ma-201

  • Gun
    Ho-1, Ho-3
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    (None)
  • Projectile Mass
    109.4 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Type
    PETN (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Mass
    4.25 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Incendiary Mass
    8.79 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker

Related Reports
20mm Ho-1 & Ho-3 : Ammunition Data Error // Gaijin.net // Issues

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Japanese ammunition data, 20 MM, 1 July 1945. Report No. 12-b(51), USSBS Index Section 6

Japanese Ammunition Leaflets, Section B (1945)

Ma-202

  • Gun
    Ho-5
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    (None)
  • Projectile Mass
    79.4 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Type
    PETN (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosive Mass
    3.12 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Incendiary Mass
    8.79 g (U.S. Military Survey Data)
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker

Related Reports
Ho-5 cannon missing HEFI-T and Ma-202 special incendiary rounds // Gaijin.net // Issues

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Japanese ammunition data, 20 MM, 1 July 1945. Report No. 12-b(51), USSBS Index Section 6

30 mm

Ma-301

  • Gun
    Ho-155
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    (None)
  • Projectile Mass
    ? g
    (Empty Projectile Mass : 244 g)
  • Explosive Type
    PETN (guess)
  • Explosive Mass
    ? g
  • Incendiary Mass
    ? g
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker
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37 mm

Ma-351

  • Gun
    Ho-203
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    (None)
  • Projectile Mass
    ? g
    (Empty Projectile Mass : 407 g)
  • Explosive Type
    PETN (guess)
  • Explosive Mass
    ? g
  • Incendiary Mass
    ? g
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker

Ma-352

  • Gun
    Ho-204
  • Types of Ammo in the Game
    (None)
  • Projectile Mass
    ? g
    (Empty Projectile Mass : 407 g)
  • Explosive Type
    PETN (guess)
  • Explosive Mass
    ? g
  • Incendiary Mass
    ? g
  • Explosion Sensitivity
    Duralumin, 3 mm or thicker
    or Mild steel, 1.5 mm or thicker
Sources

日本陸軍航空武器 機関銃・機関砲の発達と変遷, 光人社NF文庫, 2021-1-24, ISBN978-4-7698-3197-6
岡村純, 「航空技術の全貌(下)」, 日本出版協同株式会社, 1955
昭和19年3月 飛行長主管兵器(第2類)説明資料(1)
航空機用12.7粍機関砲弾薬「マ102」検査法
兵政技第135号 「ホ155」マ301 「ホ203」マ351 「ホ204」マ352 昭和20年1月18日
機関銃(砲)弾薬取扱保存法 8部の内第6号 第4飛行師団兵器部 昭和19年8月5日
T and I No. 13, 3 January 1945. Report No. 3-e(1), USSBS Index Section 6
CINCPAC Bulletin 85 45, Japanese Projectiles Vol 1
Manual on Japanese aircraft, TAIC No. 1, July 1945. Report No. 9-a(43), USSBS Index Section 6
Chief Inspector of Ammunition Technical Report No 24
Japanese ammunition data, 20 MM, 1 July 1945. Report No. 12-b(51), USSBS Index Section 6
Catalog Of Enemy Ordnance Materiel
Japanese Ammunition Leaflets, Section B (1945)

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Oh yes! Really good that there is theme about Ma-Dans about which speaks pretty rare

Pictures of 7.7mm Ma-Dan (I think it is Ma-101 but maybe it is IJN one)


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Thank you for the valuable information!

Judging by the photo, it appears to be a semi-rimmed cartridge, so I think it’s most likely an Ma-101 (assuming it hasn’t been modified).

However, the markings on an Ma-101 should be purple, but they look black in the photo. It might just be that they appear faded.

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how would this work? Like a mini saphe from the hispano perhaps?

I’m sorry, but I’m not familiar with what the Hispano SAPHE is.

For example, with an APHE round of about 20 mm, there is no fuse; I believe it detonates due to the frictional heat generated when it penetrates armor.

Ma-Dan is a variant designed to reduce the amount of heat required for detonation. The Ma-101, for instance, is designed to detonate upon penetrating a 1 mm-thick duralumin plate.

Naturally, its penetration capability is low. If it strikes a thick armor plate, it will detonate on the surface.

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Semi-armor-piercing high explosive.

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Thank you. I understand that.

I made that comment because I don’t know the internal structure of that ammunition (SAPHE).

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Well, you clearly did understand how SAPHE works, meaning you understand the “Internal structure,” whatever that means.

What they are trying to say is that they didn’t know how SAPHEI fuzes and if Ma-Dan was the same (which it is)

Regardless, I would like to see these as a way to buff the firepower of the 7.7s and Ho-5, due to the 7.7s being gernerally horrible and the Ho-5 being a peashooter compared to the Type 99

Edit: would be a decent indirect buff for the Ki-61 and Ki-100, which aren’t all that great at anything. Although the Ki-61 with Mg151 would still be pretty bad

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Well, it would be nice, unless someone suggests this as a proper suggestion.
Probably won’t. But it’s a start. However, given Gaijin’s track record of how Japan has been treated, my bridge remains broken and won’t be fixed, and will continue to keep crumbling until I see consecutive updates within the same year that put heavy emphasis on Japan. Which is still battered from the loss of the Ho-RIs, cause honestly it’s not worth even trying to play those BR’s where basically all your equipment is Swiss cheese, and 75 and 99 are not suitable replacements. The last part is for some random lurker.

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