I mean a nation being corrupt or not is just a statement.
That is the most pathetic statement i’ve ever seen on this forum, why on earth should I care about soviet engineers
You must not understand the western mindset of “claims”
In the west, and specifically the USA claims by companies and entities are taken as legal precedence.
If it is claimed that they CAN do something, and they cannot then they are open to severe legal penalties. People even have the possibility of going to jail because of it.
Section 5 of the FTC act prohibits deceptive business practices. It is ILLEGAL to “claim” that which it cannot. Your reasoning is flawed.
And you are insulting the American scientists and engineers who made M829A4
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I am merely doubting it’s capabilities. I did not say things such as “the design is pathetic”. I am questioning it’s capabilities and claims in a nice and respectful manner
Yea. And Russia also claims relikt can defeat supposed anti-ERA APFSDS. So who’s to say which side of a conflicting claim is true?
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I’d love to see that documentation so I can read it too.
Did they state A3 or A4 specifically? Let’s see the patents on the relikt versions indicating defeating long rod apfsds rounds.
Doubt that you will find many info regarding that.
Wouldnt be suprised if most also will be just coping…
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I was able to provide documentation.
I don’t see why it would be so hard to provide counter refuting given his confident claim.
The side who wins, fairly simple logic.
In this case, it’s the nations (Germany/USA) that have been developing darts to combat KE ERA for the last 45 years
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DM53 is 1750m/s on the L55
Type 10 APFSDS on type 10 is 1780 m/s
OFL-120-F1 on Leclerc is 1790m/s
Jesus. I’m gonna start my Japanese tech tree then, on top of that they also have 13.3x gunner sight, no wondering why they rarely miss a shot.
And just like that, he remained silent. I am also curious as to the documents he is aware of.
Thats his standard MO. He comes into a thread, boasts out the wildest stuff youve ever heard, doesnt back up anything, ignores every counterargument and then he leaves
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I have noticed that as I explore this forum. Calls other biased whilst also being biased(this thread, somehow meeting in the middle is giving A4 a 25% penetration chance against Relikt lmao), calls out insults that don’t even exist, making sure everyone he believed broke rule is going to be reported, and then doesn’t back up claims other than “X vaguely-mentioned source claimed this, but I don’t trust Y’s source even though it is right here.”
Oh well. The stuff I found here otherwise was quite interesting. I had no clue programmable APFSDS was even a thing until this morning.
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it does pen 80U and 80UE with leopard 2a6. Wdymmf
what`s so magical in uranium shot?
US uses teh Uranium in M829s since 90s, so what changed so much it became “anti-ERA”?
Thats such a stupidity to tell “well rheinmetal said so its true” or “well grumman said so its true” but “niistali said so its not true”.
And that entire take with “ah whats so magical” is as much stupidity :/
Nothing but what theyre trying to say is that ERA is not some secret obscure concept that no one figured out except for the russian but instead its very likely that the US etc. know pretty well how it works and are able to design countermeasures for it. Ofc the russians also know how APFSDS works but designing effective armor is harder than “make dart harder, faster, bigger or whatever”
Thats just the basic assumption that if theres information from free places and information from autocratic propaganda swamps then the first one is more likely to be true
same as the nii stali says “we know how US shots work so we believe Relikt works against it”
I dont mean to say that relikt surely can and US lies, but i also dont say the relikt surely cant and Russia lies.
I mean its just words without proper show-and-tell, and its not even an official documents with testings, just words. So if we mean to believe one side we must believe other, or not believe any side at all before there is evidence.
That basic assumption is said to counter another basic assumption with intent of “well that is not facts because i assume…”
So i find it stupid.
that itself is positioned at US-propaganga-istic way.
Grumman is not “free place”, its basically government armor plant. Same as NII Stali.
Same as Rhenimettal.
“Free place” it may be is, still its a word of an milliarder owner of huge military company working with government. So that info is biased by design, same as NII STALI one’s.
The proper “free source” is at least a field testing on the real comosite.
“very likely” is the main point here. I dont mean to say US does not know shit about ERA, but keeping in mind that they started making era back in 80s, then dropped that idea developig nothing more interesting than RISE, then came back to the idea at 2010s…
And the USSR did develop and upgrade ERA since at least 70s?
idk. I think USSR and Russia have more experience with ERA.
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“I’ve been polishing this random branch for 40 years and I’m sure it can kill a dragon now!”
Damn, ERA - is the laziest, eaziest protective measure in existence, which, contrary to what soviets and now rusians will tell you - doesn’t make it more effective. Cavetech. It has it’s own utility, sure. But there are reasons to why it’s not used as a main protective measure by almost anyone. It’s because it’s a dead end. Any anti-KE performance of said protection is purely speculative.
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