And the other 75% of the time it gets completely stopped because…?
A reasonable compromise would be 50/50 so that players from both sides actually learn to respect the fact they can neither lol-pen or ignore anything, your solution is “give the US maybe some chance of making their round work as advertised by the maker of the round, but give Russia a much greater chance of them getting to ignore the fact it can do that”, lol.
Yea ok well the stance gaijin takes is that it is not effective at all. So you either get a chance or none at all. What do you want?
Gaijin’s stance doesn’t matter lol. We all know they won’t make NATO weapons work as advertised while making sure Russian ones do or even overperform, i’m beyond the point of caring :P
But I still take joy in bullying people who OTP Russia like you :D
Yea ok. So you just admit to breaking community guidelines. How excellent
Cool, gonna cry?
I’d flag you but my flags are on cool down so later
yeah I dont even see how Relikt would be better than K5 against M829A3 based on how it works
much less fully stop A4
Well as per the statements of @J-16D_PLA we should believe any and all Russian publication about the quality of their ERA, and totally not trust the actual combat effectiveness of the ERA (which really hasn’t been very good xD)
the workings of Relikt are just that the flyer plates fly in two different direction upon activation, the counter to it…? make a projectile long and thick enough that it doesnt care, that’s what M829A3, the A4, and DM83 are, all three being over 900mm+ long, and each being AT LEAST 25mm thick, with DM83 supposedly being whole 30mm as they want it to completely nullify Relikt
bonus points: a projectile with a long’ish ‘sacrificial’ tip that’s meant to make a hole in the plates and leave the penetrator intact (all 3 also have it afaik, at least M829A4 and DM83 for sure do).
As per diagrams of DM83 (and it’s testbed KE2020NEO) it has quite a signifigant tip thats designed to burrow through the Relikt, allowing for the thicker penetrator rod to deal with the weak composite behind
Basically, yeah. It’s a round specifically designed to make Relikt a dead weight 100% of the time as per BUNDESTAG’s demands for Rheinmetall, suggesting Relikt can somehow deal with it is either ignorance or blind bias.
It is the truth
Does that actually work tho? I find it hard to believe
Are there any 120mm APFSDS that have a greater muzzle velocity than 1705 m/s?
French 120mm (in game, so F1 and G1) darts from Leclerc are all above 1700m/s by a significant amount.
Why? Are you an expert in metallurgy and armor design? ERA is decades old technology it’s not some sophisticated solution for protection, it’s a bandaid fix.
Let’s take the higher ground and just use the US government’s claims for this
A4: Provides OVERMATCH versus current and future enemy tanks with ERA and APS
Okay but what about A3?
“Capable of defeating tanks equipped with ERA”
Sounds like 100% to me if it’s a head on shot
https://jpeoaa.army.mil/Portals/94/JPEOAA/Documents/JPEOAAPortfolioBook_2017.pdf
Let’s check the patent on A3 shal we?
" In addition and in accordance with this disclosure, nose 34 is comprised of solid steel, e.g., solid stainless steel. Nose 34 does not include depleted uranium. Because of its solid design, nose 34 will perforate ERA cover plates, ignite the explosive material, and absorb the initial energy from the moving ERA cover plates without significantly bending the main penetrator rod of the assembly. As the ERA cover plates move, the cover plates erode away nose 34 rather than damaging main penetrator rod 32 …"
Sounds like it’s more than just 25%
I’m just surprised people are worrying about something that would prove that there isn’t russian bias in this game. Surely it would PROVE that Russian faction players are just better if other factions were given properly implemented tech.
I’m sure it would pleasure you to know that the concept of ERA isn’t a soviet one, but originally Israeli. And you’d think the creators of ERA would have kept using it…
Instead, Israel have adopted SLERA, which is a heavy composite RA designed to shred shells and chemical warheads through sheer density whike taking multiole hits and remaining effective.
And then you look at russia, who are still using primitive ERA panels to make up for lacklustre armour coverage.
The first patent is in fact German lol. It was made in 1956’ish, Germans knew how to defeat Kontakt-5 by 1970 already, 15 before before the Soviets adopted it.
