M47 Patton

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The M47 Patton was developed at the request of the United States Army from 1950, initially as derived from the previous M46 Patton, which in turn had originated from the M26 Pershing employed in the final stages of the Second World War, the new Detroit Tank Arsenal M47 Patton II, equipped with improved armor on the front arch (but not on the sides), was designed using the slightly modified hull of the M46 coupling the new turret of the experimental medium tank T42, with a new design and armed with a cannon T119 (later called M36) caliber 90 mm. The M47 as such represented the first true new design system developed in the United States after the end of the Second World War, and, in the intentions of the US Army General Staff, was to replace the previous models M4A3E8 and M46 then in service. The tank was supplied to the Italian Army and to the European allies at the same time as the US Army, it remained in service from 1952 to the end of 1981 in all armored departments, including the Carabinieri. Already at the end of 1952 the M47s equipped the 132th, 31st and 4th tank regiments; in 1961 the Italian armed forces numbered a thousand M47 and the following year they obtained another 1000, purchased at a preferential price from the USA. Finally, in 1969, another 600 vehicles were bought from West Germany (which had abandoned them) and reconditioned in Italy. The M47 Patton was the first modern tank to enter service in the Italian Army, pity that it was already exceeded at the time of its release, however it was the most used tank in Italy and has formed 2 generations of Italian tank crews.

Specifications:

Crew: 5 (commander, driver, loader, gunner, assistant driver)

Dimensions:
Length: 8,51 m
Width: 3,51 m
Height: 3,35 m
Total weight, battle ready: 44,1 tons

Propulsion: Continental AV-1790-5B V12, air-cooled, gasoline engine 810 hp (600 kW)
Transmission: Allison CD-850-4, 2 forward ranges, 1 reverse
Maximum speed: 48 km/h
Suspensions: Torsion bar suspension
Range: 160 km
Max grade: 60%
Max trench: 2,60 m
Max vertical obstacle: 0,91 m
Max fording depth: 1,21 m

Armament
Main: 90 mm M 36 (T 119E1) cannon (71 rounds). Elevation from -10 ° to + 19 °
Sec: 1 x .50 cal (12.7 mm) M2 machine gun (roof-mounted) (440 rounds)
1 x .30cal M1919A4 MG (7,62 mm) (Coaxial), 1 x .30cal M1919A4 MG (7,62 mm) (Right front of hull) (4125 rounds)

Photos:



Sources:

http://www.ferreamole.it/images/m47_pic/m_47_01pic.htm
http://www.ferreamole.it/images/m47_man/m_47_03m.htm

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It would be really nice to have something between the M26 and M47/105, this just fits perfectly there!

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Easy +1.

+1 For France as well.

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Sooner or later… +1

720

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Yaaaaaaay more copy paste cause we totally need it

Heavens forbid we have vehicles in service in the thousands for decades in the tech tree, World of Tanks has got the right idea with their paper designs

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Oh, crazy idea, you suggest new and unique vehicles that actually have a proper place in Warthunder.

Can you link your suggestions about unique Italian vehicles which could be added instead of M47 pls?

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The M47 OTO

Isn’t it already in the game under a different name?

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A +1 from me! It would be nice to see the baseline M47 pop up. As an interesting fact, around 3/4 of the preserved M47s in the US are actually Italian Built and operated M47s

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There’s already a suggestion for a domestically modified M47 that has an downgraded engine but upgraded gun handling and apparently FCS (not sure what is actually added by this though), that allows the tank to remain at 7.3.
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Not to mention, there are additional upgrades created by firms FIAT, ISI, and STM that all replaced the engine, so we could also get an M47 with better mobility than the standard U.S. one if you so prefer.

I want trees to display the arms industries of the nation I am playing, not a representation of what they bought from other countries; it helps with establishing actual identities for said nations.

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As long as they clean up the USA skin for it because it looks like junkyard garbage at 100%

As far as you manage to find how exactly gun handling and FCS were modified. Although anyway visually it would be same M47 with just worse experience to play since it provides 90 hp less.

M47 with Leopard engine would be cool, but iirc there is no any photo of how it looked. I doubt the rear part wasn’t changed at least.

I don’t see anything wrong with the addition of the tank which was widely used by Italy, even if it isn’t ingenious. Imo more than 2500 exemplars in the Esercito Italiano is enough reason to add a standard M47 to the game.

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That’s valid, of course I’m referencing the suggestion I linked, but it doesn’t provide any actual data on the upgrade outside of the general componentry affected, so I can understand not wanting something with so many uncertain values.

Probably the better candidate, provided more visual references can be found. My point is that there are leads to research, and we know for a fact that some of them would be guaranteed upgrades over the standard M47.

Personally, I feel that large quantities of imported vehicles should be represented via indigenous modifications and export attempts, such as the one I presented. It establishes that yes, the nation did receive support from a larger power, but also that they took the initiative to adapt the vehicles further to their specific needs.

And of course, Gaijin did recognize this, as instead of an admittedly boring copy of the American one, we instead received the 105 modification, which many now know as a unique Italian flavor of the M47, courtesy of the large quantity they had available to tool with.

You left out a very important detail that it’s completely copy paste and there’s other options that can be added.

So what if its copy paste.

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Copy paste is bad