Trees are and should be a representation of the country’s military, not military industrial complex, allowing for a more historical and realistic game and gameplay. Prototypes are good and all as “what if” vehicles but should never come at the expense of vehicles actually used in mass service.
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Clearly we are at disagreement then, the type of game War Thunder is does not really encourage accurate representation of each armed force, most prototypes and experimental vehicles can easily fill niches usually occupied by copy paste, and the addition of any copies are guaranteed to muddy the waters when it comes to originality.
M47 “OTO” if you mean the one without engine change would be a twin of M47 105/55, maybe even at higher br than 105/55 as it is already very good vehicle after vertical limits change. It won’t replace regular M47, which is 7.3 tank, plus for some people even such modification can be considered copypaste. Astra can be an interesting alternative, but we need more information about it.
And honestly I don’t care about copypaste anymore, more vehicles TT has is better. Domestic vehicles are preferred of course, but I’m fine with something to grind and put into setup without uptiering stuff. For example I would like to see Lancia 3Ro 90/53 at 4.0 instead of M44, but M44 is better than not getting anything at all. Plus maybe for me it isn’t that important vehicle since I have both Zrinyi I and Breda 52, but for those who only have Turan III and StuG, it can be a nice addition to line-up.
Anyway imao copypaste discussion is too old.
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This has got to be the most numerous tank ever in the history of italy, right?
It should be in game already!
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No, we do not need more copy paste ingame.
Depends. For a specific vehicle model, yes. For a vehicle family, no, it’d be surpassed by the L3 and M11/13/14/15, depending on what production estimate you take for the M15 and if you consider the M11 part of the same family (I wouldn’t, and if we did we’d probably have to take into account the 270 M26s which puts the M47 back on top)
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1,200 L3/33; 1,300 L3/35 = 2500 units produced
740 M13/40, 333 M15 (alleged), 100 M11, 744 M14 = 1917 units produced
M47 = 2600 units
Using both the suggestion and wikipedia sources
I think the entire m47 family surpasses every single other tank type and family
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Whoops yep I was thinking 1800 for some reason
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Considering that we now also have the MB.326K in game at 7.0, this tank would be ideal to strengthen the lineup around the same BR. At the moment we only have the C13, the BTR, and the ZSU-57 — we’re missing a medium tank. The M46s moved up to 7.0 are having major issues; they already struggle even at 6.7.
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Starting in the late ’50s up to 1960, all 900 M47 Patton-II tanks supplied to the Armoured Corps of the “Esercito Italiano” (EI = Italian Army) by the USA as part of the Mutual Defense Assistance Act were modified to a more modern standard. Italian factories removed the 7.62mm Browning M1919 hull machine gun and covered the opening with an armor plate, eliminating the hull machine gunner’s seat and the accompanied ammunition rack, reducing the tank crew from 5 to 4 men in the process. The hull gunner’s hatch was welded shut and the periscope fitted to the hatch was deleted, although the emergency hatch under the hull gunner’s seat was retained to offer additional means of escape for the tank crew. The original coaxial machine gun, a Browning M1919 machine gun in 7.62x51mm NATO caliber, was replaced by an Italian-made Beretta MG42/59 machine gun, literally a variant of the MG-3 used by the German Bundeswehr which itself was a development of the MG-42 in standard NATO caliber. Protection of the hull mounted ammunition rack was increased by additional armour plates. The radio equipment consisting of a SCR-528 set was replaced with the more powerful SCR-508 set originally only used on platoon command tanks. The original SCR-508 radio set of the platoon command tanks was substituted with the modern Magneti Marelli radio set offering a range of aprox. 150 km. The suspension of all Italian M47 Patton-II tanks was upgraded with the 23 inch (58 cm) wide T84E1 tracks, replacing the T80E6 track retained from the previous M46. Those vehicles still fitted with the early style single-chamber muzzle brake were upgraded with either the simpler version featuring a single circular opening on each side or the final T-shaped version already used by the M48.
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A lot of these upgraded italian m47s were sent to somalia afterwards, and such examples can still be found there
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