It is literally one of the worst 6.7s and has MULTIPLE strict upgrades at the same BR as it that are just M26s but upgraded.
How so?
M26 makes sense at 6.7 but somehow you think Jumbo would be fine at 5.3? This community…
m26 struggles against the Kt at its OWN br…
Yeah, when comparing the M26 to the improved T26s, it doesn’t make sense how they are the same br. The Super Pershing has better armor and firepower, a reload that is manageable with just not being too overambitious, even in a brawler situation. Mobility is also still quite nice as well. And with the T26E5, it has the same firepower and way better armor. No reason that the M26 is the same br as the other two.
oh no uptiers are wiesels and the one dude trying to use a maus.
Pershing was literally built to counter the Tiger 2 and is just as good of a tank. you want to put it down so it faces comet and tiger 1.
They began development of the Pershing in 1942, way before the Tiger 2 was first encountered.
No… just… no…
Also… no… just… no…
both of these tanks can easily smoke a pershing…
I agree, considering the closest thing to a German Pershing is a panther and that is 6.0. Here are the changes in br that I think need to happen.
Normal Pershing goes down to 6.3
The m25 goes down to 6.0 because that is even worse than the Pershing and no one touches that thing, 6.0 would at least give us some reason why to play it.
M4/m26 goes down to 5.7 because the t1e1 90mm is basically the same thing but with slightly better armour and more maneuverable while being at 5.7
That would fix the branch of the us tree that the m26 sits on. Everything above the Pershing can keep it’s br aka the heavy versions of the Pershing.
Not a full BR apartment but .7, and the Pershing is a substantial upgrade in essentially every metric- much better cannon, better overall mobility (it can actually reverse), better overall armour especially the turret, better handling, plus the glorious ma deuce. And that’s not even bringing up the fact that at 6.3 the M26 would be the same BR as the T25, only .3 over the M4/T26, as well as a significant number of other 6.0s that it simply stomps. It’s one of the best 6.7 mediums and does not need a BR reduction.
Legitimately, where are people coming up with this lie? It’s just not true.
If you believe the M26 should be 6.7, that’s fine, but you don’t need to actually make up stuff to justify it.
Both of those are also overtiered. As you might know, the T25 used to be 6.0. It was only up-BR’ed to fill the void left by M26. It has paper for armor, as does the M4/T26. I see M4/T26 as a sidegrade to M4A3(76)W, you lose the stabilizer for a somewhat better gun.
That’s not a high bar seeing as there’s very few 6.7 mediums. Still I don’t agree. The M26 armor and firepower doesn’t hold up, and at that point I would rather play STA-3 since at least it has HEAT-FS and autoloader, making it overall a better medium. T-44 has things going for it, like a very strong UFP virtually impenetrable by full bore APHE.
Now compare M26 with the numerous heavy tanks at the same BR, which totally outclass the M26. T26E5 and T26E1-1 for instance. The Tiger II H can lolpen the M26 anywhere, but the M26 has to aim carefully to retaliate.
I’m sorry, we’ve had this debate before and I’m still not convinced
Lota talk in here, lota debate, lota chit chat. Can we just make one thing clear: If you have been neglecting the T26E5 line - Stop. Do not proceed. Do not pass Go. Go straight to mis-placed grind jail. Get the E5.
So nerf the Tiger II. The H model has ~180 mm of armor in the turret, so it should be vulneranle to the US 90 mm gun, but in-game it’s almost impossible to penatrate the II (H) with it.
No, the M26 is just flat out bad. It belongs at 5.7 with the superior Panther.
Lets go check Wikipedia
“The M26 was the culmination of a series of medium tank prototypes that began with the T20 in 1942, and it was a significant design departure from the previous line of U.S. Army tanks that had ended with the M4 Sherman. Several design features were tested in the prototypes. Some of these were experimental dead-ends, but many became permanent characteristics of subsequent U.S. Army tanks.[5] This series of prototype vehicles began as medium tank project that was similar to, but more modern than the recently introduced M4 Sherman, and ended several years later as the U.S. Army’s first operational heavy tank.” -Wikipedia
It does not mention the tiger 2 anywhere, it only says that the m26 was going to be considered basically a Sherman replacement
it’s not though, objectively its near the bottom, if not THE bottom.
Yeah. Its literally the best tank at its BR. Its reload rate for the amount of pen it has is ridiculous.
Almost one year later and its stil 6.7
this whole M26 controversy is even fishier
then the Leo 1 vs OF-40 conspiracy
Gaijin unfair.
The wiki lacks tons of info abt tons of vehicles. Although it may started as a medium tank project, it ended as a Tiger 2 destroyer project.
I dont think US engineers were that sadistic
to develope a tank that can only penetrate its
German counterpart by the side or that 1 cm gap
in its front turret.
And I’m sure you have a credible source to back up what you are saying?
No it wasnt
It comes from the T20’s program started early in the war, much before even Tiger 1 or Panther saw combat
in the T20 program there were 3 prototypes, the imporant one for this is T23, you can actually see the T23 Turret on the M4A2 and M4A3 76 W tanks.
Later they put the larger 90mm gun M3 on it which became as we know in war thunder the T25
this was then further upgraded into the T26 or M26 as we see.
The program was designed to replace Sherman, not fight German cats
Rockets are almost useless
Much better gun but way longer reload
Might aswell be a new tank, new gun, new ammo, new engine, all around better
