I find it annoying the M26 Pershing the tank that has basically no armor in comparison to the T34 (American T34) yet the Pershing still sits at 6.7. sure 8.7 uptiers in the T34 sound annoying but the thing is super OP. The Pershing can be quite good but in comparison to the T34 or King Tiger its gun and armor stand no chance. Sure the T34 has a super long reload but it has so much armor most of the time you can just sit somewhere. I had a battle where someone in a T34 sat in the same spot between 2 buildings in the open and nobody shot him besides me. Sure my team had a big skills issue but still anyways the Pershing does not compare to the King Tiger or T34 whatsoever.
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Also yes i know the Pershing has armor but it doesnt have to much in comparison and if you arent playing the T26 version of the Pershing or you arent a US main and use the normal Pershing well its not as well armored and i love the Pershing its one of my favorites but i think the BR is to high and it needs to be at 6.3 instead of 6.7
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If Gaijin removed the nerf on uncapped AP and APCR, the M26 may be fine at 6.7 but those are unlikely to happen.
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Pretty sure there are already threads on the m26 but…
You can’t directly compare the m26 (medium) tank to heavies.
They are significantly slower with no access to artillery.
You already mentioned the looong reload of 14.9 on the T34 which is basically 2x as long as the m26.
And I would not say the m26 has “no armor” compared to T34 - as least wrt the hull. Same thickness but T34 is somewhat better due to increased slope. (150-160 vs 130-140)
The m26 and T34 need to be played with a different style, and you should not expect to be able to battle a T34 front-on in an m26.
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Almost as if one is a heavy tank and one is medium.
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It’s a heavy vs a medium, they can be the same BR but not the same vehicle. M26 has faster reload, APHE, better mobility, lower silhouette, etc. T34 has higher pen but only solid shot, long reload, bigger silhouette, less mobility etc. Although the T34 in my opinion definitely needs to be 7.0.
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Along with half of 6.7 apparently? Because its not overperforming relative to a lot of whats at 6.7
Agree the T34 should be 7.0 also i apologize about my comparison it was meant to show his a large heavy tank with lots of armor should not be at the same BR as the Pershing.
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7.0 has the t29 which is just the t34 but with a much better gun.
A minor buff to AP formula won’t make up for how inferior it is to other 6.7 counterparts. M26 should definitely go down to 6.3
A properly functioning 90mm would crush Panthers, so there should be some gap between them. Panthers can’t go any lower.
I will. (Also, the M26 was designated as a heavy tank during WW2. It’s quite sluggish for a medium, and there’s an argument to be made for dropping the BR and re-classing it.)
Let’s compare their HP/ton ratio
T34 - 810 hp / 65.8 t = 12.310
M26 - 500 hp / 41.6 t = 12.019
T26E5 - 500 hp / 46.4 t = 10.77
M26 actually has a worse HP/ton ratio than T34 and they accelerate at roughly the same rate. As for top speed there is a difference, M26 has 48 km/h to T34’s 35 km/h. Not nearly enough to make up for difference in armor protection and firepower however.
Also note how the M26’s chunky brother (T26E5) is only slightly heavier yet is frontally impervious to the long 88 and other guns of the tier, and they are still the same BR.
A gimmick at best.
Longer reload is worth it IMO. The M26 may have faster reload but what good is it if you’re forced to aim for weakspots while opponents at the tier can lolpen you back.
The M26’s armor is significantly worse than T34, and compared to T26E5 it’s a joke.
M26 vs long 88 @ 500m
T34 vs long 88 @ 500m
T26E5 vs long 88 @ 500m
M26 is all green except the mantlet. The T34 is quite proof against the long 88, a tough target. The T26E5 is pretty much immune.
Yes, quite. The M26 needs to be played as a second rate tank that is neither fast, heavily armored or well armed. While the other two I mentioned can definitely lean on their firepower and armor, and the mobility isn’t that bad either.
Also, I’m basing this judgement on battles of the same BR. The T26E5 and T34 would stomp a full downtier just as much if not more. I know the BRs are compressed but the M26 shouldn’t be singled out.
Something is wrong here, I can’t be the only one who sees it.
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As things stand right now the Panther tanks stand a better chance of penetrating the M26 than the other way around.
The M26’s M82 can barely penetrate Panther A’s upper front plate but only at 200m in an idealized engagement where you’re both on flat ground facing each other perfectly straight.
If the Panther is angled even 5 degrees to either side or standing on uneven ground you won’t penetrate the UFP. So the Panther’s UFP is for all practical purposes off-limits except in edge cases.
Here’s how it looks like at 500 meters
The lower front plate being green is somewhat misleading as it’s a non-pen most of the time and if it goes through the transmission eats the shell.
So you’re essentially looking at the same weakspots as the 76 Shermans, except you have more APHE filler and a little more margin of error in terms of angle and range.
The Panthers however, even the VK 3002 M at 5.0, can penetrate the M26’s UFP at 500 meters in an head-on, or up to 10 degrees angle to either side at 100-200 meters.
The square-ish segment of front plate (at the top of my star decal) is admittedly a strong spot, but only a small portion of the frontal area. If the Panther shoots anywhere else on UFP they’re going through.
Sorry if this all comes across as rambling but this is something I feel strongly about and I want to be backed up by something concrete.
I will end my wall of text by saying I believe the M26 is definitely a stronger tank than Panther A (Which I consider the best researchable Panther), however I don’t believe this difference amounts to the current 0.7 BR gap. I think a 0.3 BR gap is more justified, so the M26 should return to 6.3
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Calling the T34 OP is honestly wild.
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Thanks for writing all that! I appreciate that.
Frontal armor is good lower front plate is a weak spot but due to the size the player could hide with the hull down since the turret is very well armored at the front and you could back up and reload then fire again. It can be quite OP.
That would be interesting.
I understand the current issues but the 90mm T33 is under performing. Against actual Panthers, the T33 could defeat the glacis to about 1100 yards.
You absolutely can compare anything at the same BR - and you should, because the BR system supposedly means they have some equivalency.
Sure there are differences and you have to decide which you think are more important, but BR is exactly a comparison!!