Another strawman, cool…
Wanting the Leopard 2A7 hull to go from the unpennable 760mm KE to even more unpennable 750mm KE? That is fine.
Wanting a 50mm thick artificial weakspot to be made a little less of a weakspot? “UNACCEPTABLE, YOU ESNT TO BE INVINCIBLE QND SROMP ON EVERYTHING!”
Here you go, Mr. Disingenuous. You can clearly see that the turret ring is more than 50mm, and this isn’t modeled in game.
If you are gonna be biased against the argument, you could at least refute it with logic instead of just “I dont get it”
I told you to ask whichever questions you may have to take my sweet time to answer to them with comprehensive source sharing as asked.
And you’ve been linked to a post with multiple sources already, about some of the primary subject matters at hand.
It isn’t a strawman when the guy I am literally quoting is equating the abrams turret ring being a weakspot to wanting the entire UFP of russian/chinese tanks which have autoloader carousels directly behind them effectively not exist.
Get a grip.
And I told you that my original requests for information are all still there and I’m not inclined to waste my time reposting the same requests ad nauseum whilst getting no response.
Here you go, Mr. Disingenuous. You can clearly see that the turret ring is more than 50mm, and this isn’t modeled in game.
That isn’t what I can see at all. I cannot see the interior shape of the turret to see the actual structure of the protruding metal and I also cannot see any measurement taking place in that image. I also do not see where you are getting this 50mm from, the model in-game at a glance for the bottom of the turret looks similar to the bottom of the turret shown in that picture. What is your problem here?
My guy, currently the entire hull of the Abrams can be lol penned by just about anything at top tier, the only thing you can’t pen is the turret cheeks obviously and the ufp is an auto bounce IF you’re on even terrain or lower. So if for example m829a4 was added in the future and it was able to lol pen tseries ufp it would be fair right? and as for the ammo right behind it who’s engineering fault is that ?
Well, I am open to answer any questions, but not willing to take extra time to dive deep into the thread to do so, even less so when the intentions don’t even seem genuine :/
But I don’t understand which kind of question you could possibly have had that you wouldn’t remember now.
My guy, currently the entire hull of the Abrams can be lol penned by just about anything at top tier
The UFP is an autobounce unless you normalise yourself. The entire LFP is not a guaranteed one shot, you still need to place your shot well on it to be able to knock out the entire crew at once otherwise you are likely to die from return fire. It also does not have a giant ammo rack sat in the hull.
No it would not be fair. The abrams has several advantages over T-series tanks already outside of simply protection. If T-series tanks effectively lost their armour they would be inferior in almost every respect.
This is simply wanting the abrams to be buffed to unreasonable levels.
It’s a ridiculous one as well lmfao. The amount of US mains that I’ve seen talk about wanting M1 to be a “Stomp Monster”, I can count on a single hand, at best two. 99.999 etc percent of US players simply want the M1 (in tune with German & French players) to actually be something more than just a look-alike of the real life version of the vehicle.
Excuse you, but I’ve already clearly said I’m not going to waste my time repeating myself when I already got handwaved, ignored and insulted by the people I asked for evidence then only for it to likely happen again.
Again, if they want to make unfounded claims they can provide the evidence.
Exactly!
I want Leopard 2A7V to actually BE Leopard 2A7V, and not a Swedish-tests pseudo-Leopard TVM that merely just looks like Leopard 2A7V.
And same goes for every other tank, including, of course, the Abrams.
Are you incapable of using your eyes? The person I quoted is literally equating the abrams turret ring weakspot to being the same as removing the UFP armour entirely from soviet/chinese tanks.
It isn’t a strawman when the person I am quoting is literally making absurdist false equivalencies to justify giving the abrams a shell which would invalidate one of the only advantages of russian vehicles.
Well, you are evidently wasting way more time by going on this rampage when you could have actually made a genuine question hours ago and I would pleasantly have replied.
But it does not appear as if that were your actual interest. Instead, it feels like you just want to disrupt and derail the thread and that’s why some people are starting to lose their cool.
Well, you are evidently wasting way more time by going on this rampage when you could have actually made a genuine question hours ago
I have, they’re still there. You can read up. So can the people I asked for evidence, they know who they are.
But it does not appear as if that were your actual interest.
More like the people making unevidenced claims had no interest in being genuine so ignored me when I asked them.
Yikes, yeah let me go ahead and remind you that one well placed shot which is really really not that hard to do on the lfp of an Abrams will blow all of its crew back to the Stone Age. And again, whose engineering fault is that putting an entire ammo rack in the hull? I wonder who, shocker right.
You say it would be inferior if the Abrams got m829a4 and that it wouldn’t be fair to be lol penned BY an Abrams even though currently you can lol pen an Abrams, it’s almost as if a4 was kind of DESIGNED to make t series inferior.
Lastly I never said I wanted it right now as a buff I said in the future, hence when the game gets more modern stuff t series will most likely become obsolete in armor with more modern ammunition unless gaijin says other wise.
I swear it is the first time in years that I blocked someone, this guy is just less than trash.
Just stop replying, ignore him… he isnt bringing nothing new here, just being violently thinking it will change something here.
You complain about people ‘insulting you’, but your first reaction to a broad spectrum comment is… to use an ad hominem fallacy?
Funnily too, you’ve just proved my point. Despite having so many people contribute to this thread, all you could do was point out a single persons’ wild demand out of dozens that have talked here in the past few hours.
To add to that, M829A3 would not be able to “invalidate one of the advantages of Russian vehicles”, simply because it would never be given any anti-ERA properties as Gaijin doesn’t think they even exist (their official stance is that M829A3 would not bring any sort of improvement over the A2 hence why it hasn’t been added yet). I’m predicting that you’re going to answer with a sort of “but what if…” hypothetical, no, DM53, L27A1, Type 10, M338 & DM43/OFL F1 (to some degree) should’ve been capable of doing that already, but Gaijin hasn’t made them capable of that, have they?
Yikes, yeah let me go ahead and remind you that one well placed shot which is really really not that hard to do on the lfp of an Abrams will blow all of its crew back to the Stone Age.
Let me just remind you that one well placed shot to the LFP of a T-80/T-90 which is really really not that hard to do will blow all of its crew back to the stone age.
People that aim well should be rewarded and as it stands there is also a lot of the UFP of the abrams that you can shoot and it won’t kill both the gunner/commander at the same time which is a death sentence in the person in the abrams is sentient. Also the additional gun depression of the abrams allows it to better conceal it’s UFP compared to that of soviet designs.
And again, whose engineering fault is that putting an entire ammo rack in the hull? I wonder who, shocker right.
What’s your point supposed to be here? What does this have to do with anything? You could easily spin it around the same way and say it’s the abrams designers fault for not upgrading the LFP armour array for the variants in-game just now. Nothing statement.
You say it would be inferior if the Abrams got m829a4 and that it wouldn’t be fair to be lol penned BY an Abrams even though currently you can lol pen an Abrams, it’s almost as if a4 was kind of DESIGNED to make t series inferior.
Of course it would be inferior, stop being silly. The main advantage over western MBTs that soviet vehicles currently have is their strong UFPs and their side ERA because they lack the gun depression/reverse to be able to use position that western MBTs can and they also have a large ammo carousel in the hull which is a death sentence once penetrated after the ammo detonation changes. If you take away the armour they will be inferior in almost every way. They’re already worse than the fully spall-lined leopards and they still struggle with the UFPs unless normalised.
Lastly I never said I wanted it right now as a buff I said in the future, hence when the game gets more modern stuff t series will most likely become obsolete in armor with more modern ammunition unless gaijin says other wise.
That’s great but when you responded to me I was responding to someone who was saying it should receive it because according to them it would be fair since the entire UFP of T-series tanks being removed is the same the abrams turret ring being able to be penned by autocannons.