thanks mate
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damn i guess all t72 should be 9.3 since they got all the same armor.
or better T90m should same br as bmpt with the same armor.
funny joke, go learn things before making a thread about something you know nothing of.
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Next Gen tanks is not the same as war thunder br 💀 you are so foolish if your concept of next gen is “tank gets extra mpg and BR is higher = next gen” next gen in real life for tanks isn’t improvements its the actual leap in design. M1A1 was succeeded by M1A2 then it got system enchantments packages(SEP V1 SEP V2 etc). M1E2 would be next gen even Abrams X would be next gen. It’s hard to stress for you to understand
arent we talking about the game ?
whatever make you happy lad
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Id Prefer Britain got an actual Challenger 3 first, instead of the Challenger 2 LEP we currently have that is next to useless.
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The images you have used are not SEPv3 models. They may say it, but they’re prototypes that do not contain production SEPv3 components.
You can consult my statement here as a simplified thing to look for.
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Thank you I’ll correct it accordingly
This is a true SEPv3. Just look for that indicator on the Turret Cheeks, and you’ve got one.
And please, behave yourself on the forums. You’re going to get your post nuked.
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I try, I just need to control myself getting worked up with trolls sometimes. Explaining things to people when there’s a disconnect is difficult when they are rage baiting
I’m not taking sides here. I’m here to inform you what the rules are and what an actual SEPv3 is.
Both of you need to behave yourselves. It would also help if you didn’t use AI for your research without verification. It’s very flawed.
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I only used .gov links minus the first from Army Technology. AI helped me summarize the statements within the documents. Either way, better than explaining what a generation of tanks means to this idiot. Apart from that I’ll edit the photo it stated improved armor but not how, I’m assuming this prototype photo I found is inaccurate as is. Either way my main concern is the APS Hard Kill Trophy system.
I’ll make the edits for corrections cause it’s already causing confusion
Tank generations are a widely debated topic, and I don’t bother using them to begin with, but regardless of if you think he’s wrong, you shouldn’t use ad hominem. It just makes you look like the bad guy, even if you’re factually correct.
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I agree, my main goal is hoping Gajin gives the sepV3 in game with at minimum APS to combat the growing helicopter fire and forget missiles at top tier. Other than that I’m not worried about armor or ammo of the Abrams in game since it already performs well.
Just ask for the M1A2 SEPv2 Trophy. It’ll be leagues easier to obtain.
However, if you did get a SEPv2 Trophy, you would make the 12.7 Merkava 4M pointless, as it’s already struggling due to its poor protection values.
The problem is I couldn’t find sources about sepV2 trophy system. In fact, even looking for the recent buff it got for LWS is tough but hey it still got it. Also apart from the Merkava a lot of top tier tanks currently hold APS. If you find sources please share.
It’s Trophy HV, the same we have in the game.
ROSY is a German Smoke grenade system that comes with LWS. It does give it an LWS, but your smoke grenades also get buffed.
Outside of the Merkava 4M and T-72B3M, there aren’t many “top-tier” tanks that get Hardkill APS. IFVs aren’t tanks, nor can an APS on an IFV be compared to an APS on an MBT, so I will not count them.
As of current, there are only about 4 or so MBT at top tier with Hard Kill APS. Those being the VT4A1, Merkava Mk.4M, Black Night, and T-72B3M.
If you can think of more than that, please do so. Regardless, none of these tanks are meta. While the M1A2 is often called a “bad MBT”, I do not agree. The Abrams has exceptional turret protection, a great fire rate, and good mobility. When positioned and managed properly, it’s likely even the strongest tank in the game for long-range engagements thanks to the full kit it brings.
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Maybe it’ll be easier to nuke this forum and use this at this point for sepv2
Oh I don’t think their META I just want to deter helicopter rockets to an extent at top tier. With all the CAS changes most top tier tanks need better defense against helicopter spammers.
There are only a handful of helicopters with LDIRCM, so most are actually pretty grounded right now.
I’m not against the US getting Trophy HV, but it would spiral into people asking for the Leopard 2a7V Trophy HV prototypes while also making the Merkavas even more irrelevant, as that’s their only selling point thanks to Gaijin’s treatment of them.
Top Tier balance will already likely be in question when the K2 comes to the game. It’s functionally just a Type 10 but better in nearly every way.
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At this point USA and Germany should have them with most (even minor nations) having fire and forget missiles. Even worse when maps have mountains everywhere.