Its not “ a lot better” than 120mm DM33, its quite matched in terms of performance. Dont know how’d you came to this conclusion.
Yeah which is why your respond wasn’t showing the whole picture.
Both of you has extreme claims to certain degree at certain aspects.
10.7 Abrams is really good and very capable but its not “that” good as you portrayed nor its not that “bad” as he did.
Its a perfectly balanced MBT.
It’s a jump mate and it’s still something the M1 has going for it.
Also the T64B is a lot less mobile than the T80B.
If i can fire an extra round every minute its a clear advantage.
Just becuase you don’t think it is doesn’t mean it’s not.
Firing a full second faster is clearly an advantage allowing you to take the initiative in more situations.
Spalling is based around risidual penetration of the darts.
Not on calibre, as much as i hate this and disagree with it I have been proven wrong a few times.
Zenturion has a video on it.
The magnification of the abrams is miles better tham the 80B.
While the 80B has okay magnification its mot close to that of the abrams or leopard.
No one is saying otherwise.
Again its capabilities shot up after the reload buff as well.
It’s mobility is better than that of other russian tanks, chinese and the challangers.
Ariete is believe though slower may have better P2W ratios making jt more mobile.
Though that may just be the top tier ones.
Oh and its more mobile than merkavas forward too.
The loss of gun handling, turret traverse, reverse mobility, reload and optics is the tradeoff for that round.
Also most nato MBTS can pen it with relative ease too.
Its good but just lacking in too many areas to be tbe best.
3Bm42 can go through almost every 10.7 turret cheek at 1000 meters lol.
Also read what i said, extremely middling armour. Does not mean it’s good it means that it’s literally not good.
Nor bad it works at ranges and if you wiggle.
It’s not gonna stop a 460 pen round.
The abrams certainly can take a hit, i know because ive about 1200 games between them all lol, they’re not as armoured as say the leopards at their BRs but they make up for it in other areas.
It literally does allow you to beat the majority bar lights to these areas, in which case your dart is more than sufficient to take out said light.
Hence my point you’re crying about the round but the only MBTs it can’t lol pen tbe UFP are the soviet and Chinese ones.
In which case it out does them in other metrics.
Gimme 5 and ill respond to the rest.
I am mentioning it as it should be, not how it is in game as well as that a person above mentioned artificial pen given to it so I assumed, maybe incorrectly they meant give it more pen.
I was using stathsark as your acc on the actual game didn’t show up.
Then that was an error. My bad.
Not a lie lol, used statshark which showed you’d used the other abrams not the M1 for some reason, as I’ve said before on other threads it’s not always accurate.
Your name doesn’t show up in game for me when I search it.
Or I’d not have made the mistake.
what? lol the top tier abrams are still fantastic tanks dude.
I’m tired of people pretending the abrams suffers cause it has one turret ring weakpoint lol.
Sorry what lol. they’re better than the top tier chinese, french, japanese, british , isreali and italian MBTs.
OFC behind the 2A7 as it’s a far better MBT than literally every other in game.
They’re also better than the BVM at 12.7 man.
Not really mate, the 2A7 and that’s about it.
dudes negative in most his tanks TBH mate that may be why-
lol no.
M900 has what near 40 to 50 more flat pen and a good chunk more angled pen.
DM33 is noticeably worse than M900.
My response shows the whole picture I’ve stated time and time again statistically the abrams is one of the best , in some folks opinions the best, 10.7 in game.
What extreme claim have I made lol?
that the round is the worst for it’s BR and it has middling armour? but great mobility, optics, reload etc?
It’s literally one of the best 10.7s dude.
the only one which is marginally better , which people debate, is the 2A4.
what other 10.7 is better than it?
either the M833 or get the M735 or M774 its proper Pen and not some BS from the in house ballistic calculator
not to mention the one thing that is meant to make it be more survivable, the blow out ammo racks don’t work anymore due to gajins way of thinking how they work and not how they actually work
You’re referring ingame questionable penetration values while I’m referring to real life values.
Not exactly what I was pointing out.
You tried to portrayed it as an invincible tanks while in reality its a very well balanced.
Mobility + firepower + gun elevation angles just make the SEPs much higher skill ceiling tanks. (Also much more fun to play imo, but that is subjective).
In the hands of an average/below avererage player the BVM might be better, but in the hands of a skilled player the SEPs are better.
My Abrams blowout panels have been working perfectly fine.
Like stated before, not a be all end all. Its not a overwhelming advantage. Also, what about terrain, crew level, obstacles, map choice and so on and so forth. Sure its higher number which is better but you cant just act as if it is, as previously stated, an overwhelming advantage. Since you did not pick up the idea of hyperbole, i gues i have to spell it out for you: i was saying that the difference was not akin to that of the difference in mobility between the T-80B and the T-64B.
Are you just making up things that ive supposedly said? When on earth did I say that the abrams reload rate was a disadvantage? You think of it as a be all end all, sure, why not. But in my expierence the difference has not changed my opinion of the tank. Its nice to have, yeah dont get me wrong but seriously? Your loader is most likely going to be gone the second you get shot, so lets not pretend you’re going to have that reload rate for long.
I think spookston’s crusade about the HSTV-L’s gun and its postpen kinda prove that gaijin just doesn’t care tbh. Its sad but i dont think its going to change any time soon.
I personally prefer the T-80B’s sight over the abrams at closer to mid range because of the lower magnification, but yeah the better zoom can help.
Its a pretty good round though. Sure the turret traverse leaves plenty to desire along with gun handling but its still good enough to get the job done.
Also the last time i checked i dont think the T-80B has bad armour. From my expierence ive tanked more rounds in the T-80B rather than the base m1.
You said “it can take a hit” when the abrams really cant, man. Sure, youre hull down 1000 to 2000m from your target and you’re wiggling your turret. Touche, you could hypothetically take a hit. In most situations though? Not really. Especially at 500m or less.
Thats your expierence, its just as universal as mine. Doesn’t necessarily mean either of us are right or give an accurate representation of how it plays.
By quite literally maybe 2 to 3 seconds max against the 80B and leo 2s, not to mention the prototype leos. Most of these light tanks also have enough fire power to punch right through you or rip you to shreds easily with an autocannon. I guess thats applicable to all MBTs but its very apparent with the abrams from expierence with flanking or getting to key points first.
Being insulting really isnt a good way of convincing people that your right. It just makes you look like a sorry prick. Where have I stated that i wanted it to essentially be an object 292? If i wanted to lolpen soviet and chinese MBTs I’d play the 120S or something. What i want is a round that i dont have to pixelaim at certain areas within the weakpoints of mbts to actually have a chance of penning. Is that “crying” over wanting a lolpen round or just me wanting a decent dart?
Unfortunately it isnt how it should be. Im no American 105mm APFSDS expert, but if it can be proven with historical sources that m833 is underpreforming in war thunder then it should be buffed.
Quite literally is. Just checkes statshark and what did you know? The m1 abrams is there on the second page.
I wouldn’t call them fantastic mate. Theyre decent but i wouldnt put them in the top 5.
Forgot to mention the lower front plate, the upper front plate, and the comically larger amount of crap on top of the turret which is a HE magnet. It kinda necessitates a hull down only gameplay from a distance which i am not fond of playing ever game.
The israelis, italins and british i can understand, but you think the abrams is better than the leclerc, which essentially has the same qualities as the abrams but with slightly worse armor and slightly worse turret traverse? Or the type 10 with just as good mobility with an even better reload rate, or the god damn T-80BVM with its really good armour, good reload rate, good turret handling and optics? I may not have all the tech trees grinded out but you don’t really have to do when the performance of the vehicle is this clear cut.
Not even the STRV 122B+ or PLSS, are you serious?
You got me. Wow i dont play this game everyday and have several thousand hours. Big woop. I have a life and other interests and play this game casually. What an checkmate by you! Well played good sire! I tip my cap to you. Maybe i should just stop playing the game with such a wonderful counterclaim made.
cough cough your opinion. Not “some folks” opinion. Its okay to admit that, its not a deal breaker. From my experience and how a lot of other people see the base abrams. Considering the only 10.7 MBTs there are are the ariete (P), T-80B, the various leopard 2a4s, and the abrams along with the challenger mk3 making any listing of the “top” 10.7s is quite misleading as the population is way too small to be of any value. I and many others value the T-80Bs and Leo 2a4s advantages over the abrams. It doesnt make the abrams shit or garbage like how you have been trying to portray my PoV but i digress.
You have, quite literally, been claiming the abrams is the best 10.7 and the sep one of it not the best top tier tanks in the game. I dont think you could make a more polarizing theme than that.
There are 6 MBTs at 10.7 so if you want me to make a list and check it twice youd have to allow for 11.0s to mix in as well. But solely at 10.7 i believe the leopard 2a4 and the T-80B.
People usually group all 5 tanks as 1 entry or 2 entries (Strv 122 and 2A7) since they are so close in performance to eachother.
But yes, these are the best tanks and definitely better than the SEPs.
Debatable, the higher skill ceiling of the SEPs make them considerably better for skilled players.
Disagreed, they only have the 4 second reload as an advantage. They are just too gimmicky to play with mid gun handling, even worse gun handling than the Abrams and having to use the slow suspension to get their max gun depression.
Absolutely not lmao. Only advantages that the Leclerc has are smaller profile and 5 second autoloader. The Abrams has a better round, PF rounds, better protection and the Leclercs got screwed over with the detailed modules to a much larger degree than the Abrams.
The 2A7s and 122s are the only tank you can definitely rank above the SEPs without any counter argument.
if you got 1 heat round it will just say fuck you and overpressure your crew even if the doors arnt hit, unlike what is was made for and shown to do
in real life ofc the DM33 is better, though the 120MM should do more post penetration damage than the 105s but in game 105DM 53 does more than 120 DM33.
What exactly where you pointing out?
I never said it was invincible at all.
I’ve said the polar opposite, I’ve said it’s armour isn’t good AKA middling. and it’s not extremely surviveable.
What I have said, is it’s combination of mobility, reload rate, average armour, and mediocre round makes it one of the best 10.7 tanks in game.
If we take both tanks with maxed crews and aced the abrams is noticeably more mobile than the leopard 2a4.
sorry but act like it has better mobility isn’t an advantage?
I get it but
I am saying that it can fire an extra round every second which is a clear distinct advantage the M1 has over an aced 2A4 or a T80B/ UD.
You are saying the effect is overstated, which it is in fact not overstated that second makes a massive difference in game.
Hence why a major buff for almost every top tier was giving them a 5 second reload, and why leopards actually even with DM53 are at a disadvantage in the firepower department.
irrelevant to the point but isn’t it.
okay your preference isn’t what were tlalking about though, I prefer the arietes sight over the CR2E cause it overmagnifies.
Doesn’t mean the ariete has a good sight.
The 3BM42 is good round I’ve not said otherwise but the T80 loses out in other areas to access that round at the BR.
If it had say better armour, turret traverses etc it would move up in BR.
eh it’s alright armour the composite array can still be shot throuhg by Dm33 and L26 , and I believe theChinese round.
So it’s only really protected against the 2A4 and M1 UFP wise.
It can literally take a hit and not just explode lol that’s my point, it’s not great armour but i can take and survive a hit.
go watch my last games in USA lol hell T72 turms which fires 3BM42 shot me 3 times from around 900 meters and bounced twice and penned once and did virtually nothing.
the prototype 2K I believe is about the same speed but is worse than the abrams.
The 10.3 leopard 2AV the abrams also beats there and can deal with usually easily.
T80B and A4 you will get the positional advantage before they do easily.
Who’s insulted you? I certainly haven’t lol.
Now that’s an insult. You are complaining about a round which only two tank types in game are completely resistant to.
makes you look a sorry P*** as you say.
You literally do not have to pixel hunt is my point the round can still UFP most tanks of the BR apart from the soviet and chinese ones.
Would I like to see it get M833 yes ofc I would.
Almost every round is underperfoming due to the lanz oldat formula they use to blanket calculate penetration.
“quite literally” isn’t a lie, mayhaps statshark wasn’t loading correctly as it only showed 8 vehicles on the statcard.
That’s your opinion lol. statistically the best MBT at top tier for a while was the M1A2 a chinese M1A2 abrams…
UFP of the abarms cannot be penned too steep an angle.
LFP is the same for every tank in game.
Can do that to T90s as well, or most tanks TBH mate,
Nah you can definitely be aggressive in abrams mate.
Because it is?
Better armour overall
better round
same reload
better optics
worse mobility margnally
as @panther I believe pointed out on the leclerc thread it’s optics are also a huge issue on the leclerc RN.
You just said it yourself lol, shares the same qualities but is worse in different areas, hence why It’s a worse vehicle.
Worse turret traverse, gun handling, armour, survivability as well as round.
Piss all reverse mobility, slower reload, no commander thermals, worse round by a large metric, BVM is a decent tank , though I prefer the T90M.
Only one I’ve not got past 11.7 is Sweden every other tree is top tier lol.
the 122B+ is better, must of missed it using the forum on the phone.
I don’t play every day either lol.
As do I mate.
Rather than get butt hurt about it. Read what people are telling you and use vehicles to their advantages, that’s what I did and got better and enjoy a lot more vehicles a lot more.
You’ve literally got people in this very thread which disproves that point.
sorry what?
you missed out the vickers mk7 as well.
You cannot tell me it’s too small a value lol, you’ve rhymed off numerous tanks and say it’s not enough to compare? also left the T80UD off that list, T72M1 and I’m sure a few others.
It’s what you’ve been making yourself seem like your portraying mate, saying theyre not even in the top 5 MBTs which is bull
Never said at top tier it was the best in the game but it’s certainly in the top 3 lol, specifically behind the 2A7 and swedish leopard 2s at 12.7.
It is also arguably* the best 10.7, I stated above I believe the 2A4 is better than it overall.
M1, leopard 2a4, T80UD, T80B, T72M1, Christian 2, Challanger 1 Mk3 , Ariete, , vickers mk7.
T80B isn’t , it’s got a nice round sure but lacks too much as stated above.
Which was my point above.
The abrams has an ever so slight advantage in lower speed acceleration with a mind boggling 4 km/hr higher top speed. I just watch a video comparing a spaded, aced M1 Abrams vs a Leopard 2 and they have essentially the same acceleration with “noticeable”, as you have stated, but realistically negligible difference in mobility overall.
Nobody is acting as if better mobility isnt an advantage. The abrams vs the 2a4’s mobility is not as significant or as of a deciding factor as you make it out to be. The difference in foward mobility is even less noticeable compared to the T-80B.
Sure, it makes a difference, and like ive said in the past, it can help you in certain situations but you are acting as the leopard 2 or T-80 has a sturmtiger reload compared to it. Which it doesn’t. What matters more, objectively speaking, is where you placed your shot to begin with. But sure, the 5 second reload oblerates all the competition.
Its a shame, but gaijin will do as it wishes.
True, my preference isnt what were talking about. However, its quite dishonest to think that 12x isnt overmagnified especially on close ranged maps were “aggressiveness” is how the abrams should be played. Thats why i believe and prefer tha lower magnified T-80B sight, as it is more balanced for all maps rather than just long range.
As would the abrams. But doesnt.
The majority of 10.7 tanks consist of 2a4 and their 1 billion variants along with the m1 and KVT, which means its good enough at its BR.
If your ammo blows out your as good as dead. None of that mobility or armour matters when you dont have ammo. Not to mention the abram’s notorious turret ring weakpoint that is been told a thousand times but is still a huge issue.
Once again your experience and not a universal thing that occurs.
In games you’re not going to be hitting your max speed a whole lot, as im sure you know. Sure, 4 km/hr is nice and all but the leopards and T-80s arent exactly that far behind, and it isnt as clear cut as you
Ah yes, because accusing me of “crying” over the “fact that the base m1 abrams” isnt an insult or aggravating in any way shape or form.
What are you, three years old? This isnt roblox mate you dont have to censor your words. This entire discussion youve been quite condescending among other things and yet im the bad person for responding in kind? Pot calling the kettle black much.
Maybe at some 10.7s and below but for 11.0 and up? You very much do. Maybe not to the degree as if you are playing as HSTV-L trying to frontally pen a tank but your not exactly leagues behind that.
Whatever you say bub.
M1A2T in terms of winrate is 7th at rank 8 in ground rb behind the leclercs and Leopard 2a7s and STRV 122B. The base m1a2 ,Sep, and Sep V2 are essentially dead last, according to statshark. The American m1a2s are also in the 40s in ranking in K/D. Sure, a fair bit of it can be attributed to American mains not being as skilled as their contemporaries but that cannot explain the full picture. The M1A2T is several tons lighter than the SEP or the SepV2 according to the wiki, which might be a factor in the difference as well.
UFP can certainly be penned. Its not invincible lmao. Its trolly for sure but it isnt fullproof. The lower front plate, which houses the majority of the hull’s frontal armour, is incredibly exposed and quite weak. At least for the T-80B, the LFP is hidden and the UFP is more protruded. But yeah, i guess its “the same for every tank in game”.
It doesnt make it any less of an issue just because you can do it to “most tanks”. Its a big issue with the SepV2 especially as all that crap on the turret cannot be removed like with the OG Sep.
Who is being super aggressive in the abrams? You cant push anyone on the account of the lackluster overall protection. It isnt like a T-90M or BMPT where you can relikt your way out of anything. As soon as you push someone your gone. So, you just sit and wait until they either push you or make a mistake. In that case then its no different than any other MBT. Youre better off taking that literal slightly better mobility and flanking rather than charging head on and being hyperaggressive.
What?
The lecleric has 3x to 10x zoom with gen 2 thermals. So it has similiar optics. Not exactly “better”.
The leclerc has an autoloader, allows you to sustain that reload even with missing crew.
M829A2 is better than the leclercs round, but as you have stated before when comparing m774 and 3BM42 or DM23 or 33, the difference isnt huge.
The leclerc has noticeable weakpoints sure, but so does the abrams. In fact, they have comparable amounts of weakpoints, so its kind of a weak arguement.
The leclerc has the same gun handling as well, along with a 26.7 hp/ton ratio compared to the 24.5 of the M1A2T or the 23.2 of the SEP with all of them having a 72 km/hr top speed. Like you have reiterated time over time again the 2 hp/ton more is absolutely a clear cut advantage that leaves the M1A2T and the SEP in the dust or something akin to that.
I thought your whole philosophy was horse power per ton and reload rate. So how would the Type 10 be worse than the abrams despite those mild issues? The extra pen or “armour” or “survivability” dont matter if you cant get your round off as quickly.
The T90M has even worse reverse speed, worse acceleration, an even slower reload than a T-80BVM. Commander thermals, while useful, arent a dealbreaker. Also the “worse round” by only like 40mm, which is akin to the difference between m774 and 3BM42 or DM23 but i guess that doesnt get the same criteria.
You have 2000 hours on the game, apparently have essentially all the tech trees grinded out, and you’re trying to convice me you dont play this game all the time? And im the king of england…
Its called sarcasm, but im assuming it went over your head, clearly. As for your advice and the “advice” I’ve seen from others on here. Its honestly useless. From what ive seen its just listing very broad qualities about gameplay that i already know. Like “being aggressive”. Sure, you could be aggressive, but to what end? How far should you push up. What parts of the map (i.e. forests, cities, hills, etc etc) benefit the abrams more than others and so on and so forth. But yeah, interpret it in whatever way you want mate.
I can say the same. Do you know how many posts or threads ive seen about the lackluster performance of the abrams?
My apologies for not remembering the thousands of vehicles in the game. Its not one of the things i wish to do.
And i stand by it not being the top 3. It could be number 5 but im not inclined to say so. Saying it even in the top 5 MBTs is bull.
You have very much states the abrams line is one of the best top tiers in the game behind only the 2a7s so-???
But previously you also heavily implied the 2a4 was worse than the base abrams but now it’s “overall” better than it?
Thats your opinion. Just as the mobility apparently makes up for the lackluster dart of the base abrams the T-80B has qualities that make up for its not great gun handling and reverse speed
Im not going to even dignify any response to this. Ive already wasted enough of my time arguing with a brick wall.
That noticeable difference is what allows one ot get that slight edge, which is what allows for better plays. If one can get into position even slightly quicker, it is an advantage.
I’m saying to you that it having better mobility gives it yet another advantage in the list over the 2A4. that is all.
Mobility isn’t jst forward though is it.
No I am not lol, i am realistically pointing out to you the difference it makes to have that advantage, hell look at the massive difference 0.5 seconds being shaved off of the T80U reload has made, never mind a full 5 seconds.
Which you should also have in abrams due to the extra mobility. and the capabilities to follow up shoot on other targets faster.
the tank has middling armour, not crappy, not good. Mid as hell. Also the loader can be taken out of a CR1 giving it over double it’s reload past the rrady rack, what’s the relevance of that. You can take the loader out of a leopard 2A4 extremely easily as well.
leaving it with more than double an abrams reload.
the first abrams was in fact my first ever tank of the BR hencethe horrific KD. Look at the KVT for an example of my usuage of it in the last year. Which is near 2.0 KD , believe about 1.79.9 or something like that.
Even the IPM1, M1A1, M1A2 , M1A1 HC are all positive.
All of which you aren’t positive in bar one of them I believe.
12x isn’t an overmagnification seeing as the original zoom is much lower, ehnce why it’s such an advantage over the T80B, the leopards optics are very similar. also the aggressiveness, doesn’t mean you have to be super close lol.
What lol? I already gave you a list of them.
that applies to literally any tank mate? that¡s not some mystic drawback to only the abrams.
I mean that’s a running theme mate we know of, all of us.
Well aware but to act like it’s armour is useless is disingenious.
it is as clear cut as I am saying, the fact is if the abrams isn’t getting it’s top speed, nor are the other mentioned MBTs lol.
Not an insult at all, to say one is crying is to say one is complaining a lot without much merit to it.
You quite literally do need to censor your words on the forum as foul language is a breach of ToS , believe me lol If not I would use swear words.
I’ve not once insulted you, nor have I been outright rude , maybe dismissive but not sitting here tossing insults at you lol.
If anyone is the 3 year old it’s the one who’s turned around and called me a P*** over being told to actually play the tank properly.
Again, not unless you’re frontally facing say a T80U or some other malarky do you have to pixel hunt. in which case LFP, or breach lol.
It’s not that deep at all.
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When the M1A2 dropped it was the top for KD which was my point.
hence why I said for a while.
Again sliding eventually down a little, but nowhere near as badly as the Sep V2 and such which shows a larger picture.
How on earth is the LFP hidden on the T80B? xD it’s not hidden at all you can one tap it with 8.3 darts still through the LFP.
The UFP ? on the abrams bar for the absolute highest penning rounds cannot usually be penned.
Agreed but it’s not an issue unique to the abrams is my point.
You certainly can, you push flanks and then come from behind the enemy lol, hence why my last game I was 9 kills in the KVT.
Play it to it’s advantages lol not the other way around.
You can push if you push properly, 1 don’t headrush into them irrelevant of what you use that’s a silly way to play.
2, try bait their shot and make them miss or take the first shot and take out their breach etc.
And use the mobility tofinish them off.
That is if you’re absolutely pressed into that position, if not bugger off and flank them.
You can push flanks and be aggressive without just barreling directly towards the enemy you know that right?
the 12.7 abrams has gen 2 thermals as well?
2.5x - 10x btw not 3.
abrams is 3x - 10x
Which is actually worse marginally.
Yeah but you’ve only got 3 crew so less survivable and substantially worse protection.
Even now the addition of the modules to the leclerc was such a massive F you to it as it’s now substantially weaker too.
Believe me far less likely to survive if you’ve been hit, auto loader or not I’d rather 4 crew to 3.
M829A2 is the highest penning round 120MM L/44 round in the game lol it’s nearly 80 pen more than the leclerc in most situations, believe 40 odds on the 60 degree angle.
the spalling it generates is enough to notice.
What lol? I stated that the 3BM42 is better and the M774 is the worst round at the BR by a decent bit.
I also mentioned the difference btween the DM33 and M833 or M774 aren’t as big as they are lower penning rounds.
BM42 is one of the higher penning rounds for the BR bracket, which was my point of the worse mobility. turret traverse , optics and gun laying are all prices the T80B has to pay for having that round at the BR.
sorry mate but leclerc noticeably worse armour than the Abrams as wlel as being far less surviveable when hit / penned.
Who said it leaves them in teh dust, it means the leclerc has the advantage in mobility and will undeniably get to positions faster than the abrams which is an advantage. shame the abrams can lol pen it just about everywhere and remove it.
because the Type 10 lacks as @_Renzo said in areas like gun laying, turret traverse, gun depression and needing to use the gimmick of it’s pnuematic suspension to actually put it on par with it’s equals.
The reloads slower which is a bugger but other than that it beats the Type ten in just about everyway.
my whole philosophy is not just those two things lol
Shows how little of what I’ve said you’ve understood.
the abrams has better gun handling, turret traverse, depression, optics etc all the stuff I listed above than say the T80B at it’s BR.
Only equal or beaten out by the 2A4.
So no it’s not my whole philosphy or the damn HSTVL would be teh best tank in game by that logic.
Oh I know, I just prefer the T90M over the 80BVM; while it is objectively worse in most areas I do better with it.
The difference is the armour protection people have is also increased meaning a round which has 40 less pen will either not penetrate or if it does, does substantially less.
But pop off lad, try twist it to say that one argument is applied in all areas which have different mitagating factors.
For example M774 can go through a leopard 2A4 face everywhere bar the left cheek as well as the UFP.
3BM60 cannot do that to say a 2A7 or a 2A6.
same cannot be said for a 2A7 VS 3BM60.
2A6 is a good chunk weaker so maybe easier to get through.
I’ve 4 thousand logged on steam over the span of almost 6 years mate lol, ofc I have a lot of hours on it.
Just because I’ve had stints where I bash it doesn’t mean I am on it every single day sweating my trim in. If I was I’d be at far higher hours and a far better KD.
England takes a capital lad.
Some sarcasm that mate, definitely need to work on it.
want me to teach you how to play the tanks ? I can tell you all that if you genuinely want to not hate them and get better with them.
I mean you’re the clod harping on about how bad it is, and are negative in it not me.
Yup, I’m aware, but just becuase people don’t know how to play it doesn’t mean it’s bad.
Then don’t chime up with lists lol we all miss stuff out.
It’s statistically one of the best in game lol bar maybe the leopard families and tied with the BVM.
one of the best, not the best two distinct differences, best leans ot the STRV122+ or the 2A7.
I implied it? how ? i said from the start I think it’s better due to having amore well rounded balance with it’s slightly better armour, worse mobility and reload.
As one often says when they run out of actual arguments, have already resorted to baseline insults and denies the facts they’ve been presetned with.
adios.
Which is a player issue on your end, not an Abrams issue.
False, because against M829A2 almost the whole leclerc is a weakspot.
Meanswhile the M1A2s still have a bit of armor to hull down.
And exactly this shows the player issue, I push people aggressively all the time in the Abrams, succesfully too.
One can push aggressively without pushing head on into enemies
