M1A2s as currently modeled are the same or worse than the M1A1, which is from the 80s. The later leopard 2a6/7s are leagues better than the abrams in every area except reload, which gaijin deliberately gimped because the Leopards were performing better and didn’t need the buff.
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Yeah that is pretty much what they said.
That is why it says “everything else” after mentioning the 2A7s/122s seperately before.
With that they’ll need to add T14 armata and ztz99b. Great idea. I would personally love to see the ztz99b added
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T14 armata probably is to good, it would be like adding the abrams X, they could introduce the t90ms
In what way?
I’d agree if you’re talking from a meta standpoint where the M1A1’s lower BR, nearly equal firepower and better mobility make it incredibly potent.
But if you’re talking straight comparison, the M1A2’s have significantly better turret armour.
Leopard 2A6 is equal or worse than a M1A2 SEP in virtually all aspects, so I’m not sure why you’re including that specific variant when you should’ve just mentioned the 2A7V only.
There’s also the strange thing where the M1A1 HC, M1A2 and AIM are all at 11.7 whereas the Leo 2A5 and 2A6 are still 12.0 despite being equals to the aforementioned M1s.
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I would honestly wager that the 2A7+ and 122B are the only in-game Leo 2s that best the M1A2 SEPv1.
Sorry, I thought we were all making stupid assertions like saying the Leopard 2s are equal to the M1A2.
Are they not?
In War thunder?? I don’t think so
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I wouldn’t turn to you for any thoughts, seeing as you can barely get the Abrams down in-game… Let alone get yourself a Leopard 2 to begin with.
Lmao. Even on paper, they are not the same, but say what you want
T-90MS is just a export variant of the T-90M, a T-90M with Arena-M would be a better option or Object 195.
Yes but he wanted the t14 armata, which is not comparable with a sep v3
Leo 2A7V >>> M1A2 SEP >>> M1A2 / M1A1 HC / M1A1 AIM >>> Leo 2A6 / Leo 2A5 / Leo PSO >>> Leo 2PL
It’s a back-and-forth really.
To be fair, we don’t really know what a T-14 Armata would perform like in War Thunder. It could end up being a breech repair simulator.
As far as I’m aware we don’t know with certainty what it’s rate of fire is like, if it’s 7-8 seconds it probabl won’t be the king of top-tier, if it’s 5 seconds or less it could be very potent.
I’m also not sure about the APS’ ability to intercept APFSDS, if it’s capable it could be a major contributor to it being very potent.
Hull armour is a large question mark, the LFP appears massive and it’s got the same vulnerable crew layout that the 2S38 has
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According to “russia” the t14 armata supposedly has 900+ mm pen, and if that is true they should not add it very soon
Penetration values are usually stated in terms of LoS penetration @ 60°.
The Object 292 already has 808mm of penetration in War Thunder under those criteria, so it isn’t that wildly excessive.
There are also a bunch of Western counterparts with 140mm armament options, those are stated to possess in the range of 930mm of penetration under those same criteria.
If it got M829A4 it could be.