To be completly fair, while i admit the Leopards are currently better tanks than the M1A2 SEP’s, its not like the SEP is a trashcan, i know it could be cool to have unpennable lfp, but even without they are not bad.
If around 580 at least can increase chance to tanking DM53 at long range
They are meh tanks. I have the SEPv2 and while I can achieve a 2 K/D in it (I swear they stick a CROWS on it and suddenly every enemy forgets that it has the same armor layout as the tank they have been fighting for 4 years now), I would probably achieve much better in the 122s and 2A7V.
It’s already sad that our prospects are likely that the flagship MBT isn’t lolpennable by 10.0 tanks anymore with this change. While other nations have the prospect of not being lolpennable by 11.7 tanks anymore (2A7V).
At really really long range. The 2A6 still has 604mm pen at 2000m, and there are very little maps where I often fight at those ranges lol.
Oh man if give around 600mm i’m sure Russian kids will riot even i want it to have it
I’m not against any vehicle that isn’t the 2A7V getting DM63. I’m fine with tanks like the Arietes and CR3 getting DM63.
Also I really don’t care what rounds they should be using, as that would also open the door to M829A3 and A4. And the SEPv3 which should have been the 2A7V counterpart added this update.
Ammo is used to balance vehicles as well and the 2A7V just doesn’t need a buff.
Submitted as a suggestion… Its not a suggestion… Its wrong and need fixing wtf
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Either all or none.
Ammo is used to balance vehicles as well and the 2A7V just doesn’t need a buff.
I need you to explain something to me, how is DM63 a buff?
Unless gaijin make funny move add anti era for DM63 but not DM53
Yeah, I kinda hate when I read that hahahah
Errors that require correction must be corrected, it’s very simple.
The “suggestion” thing sounds like:
“Heya, may I suggest considering, if you find it agreeable, maybe, changing this thing here, if you don’t mind?🥺👉🏻👈🏻”
Maybe it’s just a wording thing, but that’s how I perceive it, hahah.
Like, “a change suggestion” doesn’t sound like it has the same objective authority as “an error that needs correction”.
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Suggestion… Hey guys you should fix this… Naaaaa
Passed to developers… Hey this NEEDS fixing… Naaaaaa
Doesn’t matter how you word it tbh, we all know the same outcome.
Which is why I prefer none. Everything to not further increase the dominance of your beloved Leopard 2.
It’s simple. The small amount of performance it would lose doesn’t matter. Name 5 things that L55 DM53 can pen that L44 DM53 can’t pen already.
Meanwhile every 0.001% increase in survivability for the Laready dominant 2A7V is 0.001% too much.
In comparison to people simply not taking more than 16 rounds? There is basically no change.
Abrams enjoyed a higher relative survivability than Leopard 2s until the 2A7V received spall-liners, but I’ve never seen people seriously complain about those, why’s that? It’s not like the Abroomz is any worse than it was before, and even then, the hightened survivability was due to lower spall generation due to code error, it’s been fixed as of today, and pretty much everyone dies in a single hit again…
Everything to not further increase the dominance of your beloved Leopard 2.
You’re acting as if 2A7V is the domintant MBT of this patch lmao, it’s the 122s. As of now, it’s basically a slower Leopard 2A6 with 3rd generation thermals (in all honesty, as of this point in time, I’m fully convinved a Leopard 2A6A3 would have been performing better), yet everyone is acting as if it’s completely unkillable, cannot be countered, is basically the Death Star.
Name 5 things that L55 DM53 can pen that L44 DM53 can’t pen already.
Name 5 reasons why this is relevant to the “DM63 would magically make 2A7V perform substantially better” assertion.
Come on… I think this matter is simple.
SEPv2 should get M829A3. Why?
Because otherwise 2A7V will just be substantially better in each and every single aspect.
Better turret armor, better hull armor (even if SEPv2’s hull was fixed and 2A7V remained nerfed), better penetration, better thermals, better survivability, better mobility (since SEPv2 is burdened by a non-removable TUSK kit), smaller weakspots…
So yeah- I don’t think it’s too crazy to ask that SEPv2 at least gets a marginal firepower upgrade compared to L/55 DM53 as a way to make up for being worse in each and every single other field.
Also- aren’t German mains asking for “DM73 or at least DM63” for historical reasons?
Then I think American players are more than entitled to ask for at least M829A3, not just for balance, but also historical reasons.
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The fun part is… M829A3 also uses an IM compliant propellant… JUST LIKE DM63. Yet nobody seems to mention that, why?
So yeah- I don’t think it’s too crazy to ask that SEPv3 at least gets a marginal firepower upgrade compared to L/55 DM53 as a way to make up for being worse in each and every single other field.
SEPv2*, and I don’t think anyone would have a problem with A3 considering it quite frankly ain’t the Galactic Beam of Destruction, but gatekeeping DM63, which relative to A3 would perform worse, but have the same IM properties for “oh wow, cus it can survive more than 1 hit??? brooo crazy!!”, is just disigenous.
Sounds like an Issue with aiming. After 4 years it shouldn’t take more than 2 shots to kill an Abrams. Abrams survivability is seriously linked to the aim of the people shooting at it ever since the addition of high pen rounds.
And yes the SEPv2 is worse than the SEPv1, because it permanently hauls 4 tons of dead weight around reducing the mobility.
Both the 122 and 2A7V are way too dominant, you would know this if you played anything that wasn’t leopards and wasn’t in the same team as Germany after the update.
You were the one bringing up “reduced performance of DM63” as a laughable downside to the increased survivability that it would give.
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Because the SEPv2 is worse than the 2A7V in every aspect…
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it pretty much Abrams from sepV1-V2 need armor buff and spall liner right now abrams are really bad not worth playing Leo2A7V also need armor fix too right now it up to gaijin that they will do it or not make me wonder why spall liner isn’t on abrams then live update come but seem because gaijin being lazy
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You’re seriously bringing up skill to this? Right, you’ve got an issue with aiming if you can’t kill a 2A7V I guess. If i can do it with OFL 120 G1, why’s that a problem for you with M829A2?
And yes the SEPv2 is worse than the SEPv1, because it permanently hauls 4 tons of dead weight around reducing the mobility.
You mean just like 2A7V is hauling 4+ tons of weight over the 2A6, while bringing only thermals as an actual upgrade? Because at the moment it’s trading the upper plate protection for beak protection, but also has far more weakpoints due to the new model being fresh and unfinished compared to a 2A6, not even worth mentioning the 122s.
Because the SEPv2 is worse than the 2A7V in every aspect…
Yea sure buddy.
- better acceleration
- better top speed
- better reverse
- actually less weakpoints overall
- better all around protection
Noo way brooo, every aspect??
What is with y’all acting like the Abrams is the worst MBT in the game? It’s always has had good survivability, and just like the 2A7V it enjoyed the post-patch bug in regards to the spall generation.
I’m not even saying SEPv2 shouldn’t be buffed, but it’s like talking to doomers.
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Out of all the top tier tanks i face playing different nation there’s now 2 i find are a pain in the *** to kill and that’s the top leopard 2s and the Russian bvms, everything else is basically a one shot, Abrams, leclerc’s, challengers, type 10s, arietes, but out of all of them the abrams is one of the most common ans one i worry about the least, a single shot to the nick and that thing is dead.
All of that are not matter when gameplay with small map is why having armor like strv122 or Russian tanks are good to have and right now all western tanks need fixing and spall liner
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