What the hell does Kuwait need 218 tanks for?
The ghost of Saddam and his zombie tanker army.
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Yes, the export armor is EAP… Though as said, I cannot find any substantiation as to what uses it and when it is used.
Your first image does not state anything of the Abrams, and your second image does not speak of anything on the armor array, only listing countries with arbitrary terms.
FMS, or Foreign Military Sales, Non-DU has never been stated to be non-du explicitly, with XMPP-2083 being conclusive in the fact that the sales and distribution of DU armor does not compromise any security or confidentiality of the vehicles, nor pose any risk to those who would receive them.
Firing at Iranian ships from across the gulf? I don’t know.
The M1 is a great weapon for home self defence purposes i.e. I think everyone should get one XD.
But yea as Count stated, Kuwait bought those tanks in 1992, so right after they were invaded by Iraq.
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A great caveat for it being a squadron and hopefully BRs are fixed at high tier and its sorted to be lower than the HC. As of right now every abrams post M1 is about the same lol
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Export Abrams still use HAP, not EAP.
vs now:
Yes, the export armor is EAP…
Foreign Military Sales, Non-DU has never been stated to be non-du explicitly
The first image literally states it is non-DU i.e. non-DU meaning no DU is contained within the armour package:
the U.S. government’s refusal to allow export of the depleted uranium armorpackage.
We have learned how to use materials and geometry to improve the armor protection from previous generations without having to get into the DU (depleted uranium) material.
Non-DU in and of itself explicitly means it has no DU… This is likewise why the KE-W round was created i.e. a non-DU tank round for use with export M1s. Also the second image I gave you literally states at the top they do not have DU. The improved FMS specifically does not have DU in the armour which is why it is also called FMS and not Heavy armour/special armour package.
with XMPP-2083 being conclusive in the fact that the sales and distribution of DU armor
Can you shoot me a link for XMPP-2083.
M1a1 and m1a2 should both get the DU armor the Department of the Army applied for a licence renewal for the radioactive material in 2006
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The point I was making is that EAP is designed for export use, though HAP is still widely sold around the world due to the insignificance of EAP. EAP costs way more to overhaul and refit than to produce HAP composite sets.
Yes, and export versions are using DU pieces.
Again, not sure if you knew, but export Abrams variants use DU commonly.
The second image you gave shows little to nothing but the words “non-du”. It doesn’t clarify what FMS degree each nation holds, nor does is state variant or generation of the supposed EAP, which wasn’t applied to their exports.
Improved FMS? You know what FMS means, right? It’s a catalogue of export countries called Foreign Military Sales, and lists the degree to which all exporters have stakes in American hardware, and their trustworthiness with it.
It is not a variant, it is not an improvement.
Nevertheless, this is grossly outdated.
98-18674
Which DU armor? There were 3 different generations of it, 2 of which have differentiations in game.
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Politics, and obviously political propaganda is a banned subject.
Sir this is a video game forum.
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I’m not the one who brought up this topic. Since Max_Damage decides to use Ukr leopard and challenger losses to shitpost his stupid “western tanks bad” narrative, it’s a proper responds to show him the true reality with OSINT data. How about read his original comment before judging my response? And if you cared enough, links were provided and you can literally click on each of the tank losses, on the War spotting one most of these even included geolocations. I guess this is hurting some Russian trolls feeling here.
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What was political?
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And continuing to discuss it can draw mods here for the wrong reason, to clean and lock this place.
They don’t like people discussing the ongoing conflict. So just flag and move on.
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Just flag their posts and move on.
& especially don’t respond addressing their discussion.
You do not have to engage with topics that are not the topic of the thread or the topic of the forum itself.
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They absolutely don’t… Where are you even getting this information? Even Australia, a trustworthy US ally had a heavy composite package without DU for their M1. Depleted uranium is a byproduct of the nuclear industry. In the United States, it falls under the purview of the U.S. Department of Energy and is subject to DOE regulations that bar its export.
Unless and until the rules change, any M1 has to lose its depleted uranium armor, and get another package to replace it, before the U.S. government will sell or donate the tank abroad. Sweden couldn’t get DU and Ukraine won’t get DU either. What makes you think these non-major Allies in the Middle East are getting DU armor when even Australia or Sweden don’t?
The only exception to that are DU ammos which are also strictly limited to I quote:
(1) a country that is a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization;
(2) a country that has been designated as a [major non-NATO ally]
(3) Taiwan.
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Where do you see the propaganda
Its called statistics.
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Again, not sure if you knew, but export Abrams variants use DU commonly.
Name me the nations that received M1s with HAP-3 (or any DU armour package), I’ll wait.
Point of fact, afaik Poland will also be the first foreign nation to even receive the DU M829 round from the US (M829A3 & M829A4) and it took until 2021 for that to happen.
It doesn’t clarify what FMS degree each nation holds
Except it specifically does:
FMS Tanks
All Non-DU Armor Packages:
FMS Non-DU armor package:
Egypt
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Improved FMS Non-DU armor package:
Tested by Greece and Turkey
This makes sense seeing as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Egypt all bought their tanks prior to the improved FMS armour existing i.e. all of these tanks were bought prior to 1993.
The M1s that were at the Greek and Turkish tank trials had the improved FMS armour and those trials were in 1999 - 2001, also the image I gave you above was specifically talking about the armour package that was used in those trials.
It is not a variant, it is not an improvement. Nevertheless, this is grossly outdated.
There are multiple FMS armour variants, also 1999 is not outdated, the SEP with HAP-3 came out at that time.
You know what FMS means
I do, you apparently don’t, this gives a good overview:
Foreign Military Sales (FMS) is the U.S. Government’s program for transferring defense articles, services, and training to our international partners and international organizations.
The FMS armour therefor is the M1 Abrams armour package that was specifically made for foreign nations that acquire M1s via the FMS program i.e. Foreign Military Sales Non-DU armour package (FMS armour package), this is what export armour has has been commonly referred to as by multiple different sources:
So the plan, as recently as last week, was for GDLS to build for Ukraine 31 M-1A2s with FMS armor—a process that the Pentagon expected to take as long as a year. GDLS also is building FMS M-1A2s for Poland and Australia.
By the way this isn’t new, you do know what the initial M1 armour i.e. BRL stands for right? The “EAP” is indeed commonly referred to as FMS armour.
98-18674
I have already read 98-18674, it has nothing to do with what you are talking about and never once talks about exporting DU. 98-18674 is talking about the environmental impact of DU, that’s it.
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I have this feeling the patch is gonna come out tomorrow
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And they haven’t even showed anything for Italy yet XD
(to be fair they’ve had a good year, but still there must be something)
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