The UFP is partially a good point, because it’s not the entire UFP. aim low, around where the composite stops and it will still go through, aim high and DM53 will get yeeted into the turret ring and take out the breach and at least 1-2 crew members.
But does this also count the weakspots you can abuse with HE that are permanently stuck on top of the SEPv2 turret? This was with DM11.
both have similar weight and stats, I have personally never felt a difference between DM53 and M829A2.
I agree with the standing manouvrability, turning feels better in the Abrams. I don’t really notice the difference in acceleration, but I only have up to the 2A5 spaded.
They are meh tanks, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to do well in them. It helps that everyone forgot where to aim against them.
And those other nations being worse off is why we need the BR decompression (and a boat load of fixes). An Ariete would maybe be decent if it wouldn’t be at the same BR as things like the 2A5+ and M1A2+ tanks.
I do agree that M829A3 is a bit much with other nations. However I can’t stand people asking for even more QOL fixes to the 2A7V when it is already in the top most dominant vehicles in this update. It should have it’s errors fixed, but that should be it.
sometimes it should give up realism for some balance (like hell gaijin never done that before) ofc some tanks might not be easy to find information about it but at least it should get some artificial buff for balance’s sake that what thing should be not just because don’t have much info so leave the tanks to look like sht and unplayable.
You see, i would agree with you if it was M1A2 SEP v2 against Leopard 2A7V / STRV122’s, but unfortunately its not like that, if you give a better round to SEPs you are going to damage other tanks as well, since not everyone play those two tanks.
Its still DM43, Leclerc does use SHARD as of right now, which would be an option, but for now its slightly better than everything, so i can see why the DEVs don’t want to give it to Leclercs, but im not a dev, they are the ones that needs to find a solution for this.
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Considering the terrible spalling of L55 for some reasons, honestly i wouldn’t even want it so much. People often forget about that but M95 or M829A2 are way more consistent than DM53 that is not even funny.
Then SHARD should definitely come for S.XXI and AZUR, at very least.
Yes, it may perform even better than DM53… but considering that Leclerc has glass armor, I don’t think it would be a bad thing- it would just turn it into a proper glass canon (hopefully with its 5 second reload too).
See, I just want every nation to shine on its full glory, hahah. I don’t like the thought of nations being overshadowed for being kept artificially nerfed “for balance”.
Because to be honest, most balance issues aren’t caused by certain vehicles being too strong; but caused by certain vehicles being too nerfed.
I already have pretty decent stats in both, they are my favourite tanks in game, and I still consider them meh. It’s just that a lot of the MBTs below them are even worse than meh.
You can still use them as normal HE rounds though I use proxy HE rounds like that often enough.
They are versatile, have a good round and have built around a good lineup, of course the lineup doesn’t count towards considering if a tank is bad or good, but they for sure are not meh.
Works the same for the beak? I’ve had M829A2 penetrate through it just a match ago and kill my loader. An AFV’s protection is relative, it will never be an equeal value each and every time…
My point is that the entire “ooga booga protection” argument is pointless until 2A7V is actually fixed, then we can argue about it,
But does this also count the weakspots you can abuse with HE that are permanently stuck on top of the SEPv2 turret? This was with DM11.
No, because nobody that I know uses DM11, or actually any HE round unless they are playing Russia. You can do the same to any Leopard 2 with HE anyways, like, any tank can be done in by an HE round, what’s the point here… and if you’re at close enough range to use DM11 without lasing a target… why are you even using it?
It should have it’s errors fixed, but that should be it.
Depending on what you consider an error, 2A7V using DM53 would be one… seeing as it’s been withdrawn from service, or was converted to 53A1 with SCBD.
I’m not a Leopard main so I consider the main errors to be the acceleration and armor, bug fixes also count as errors imo.
Ammo is used to balance things so it’s not an error. and the argument of it being withdrawn from service is also not really a thing, seeing as the SEPv2 from 2008ish also uses ammo from 1994 (which is fine imo).
Yes they are versatile. They are decent in most things (except really armor imo, they are so easy to pen and kill for me), just not really outstanding in anything. It’s honestly why I like them (besides their look).
But that doesn’t mean I wouldn’t perform much better in the same situations if I had been in a 2A7V or any of the 122s.
Yeah the swedish lineup is absolutely bonkers. It’s beyond insane.
I gave the 2A7V most of the attention, but don’t worry Sweden is very much worse. I have seen entire teams of “worse” tank nations like Japan, Italy, UK, Israel, France, US (due to player skill for a large part as well) etc. against Germany and Russia being absolutely hard carried by a few Swedish players.
EDIT: Having Germany and Sweden on 1 team is almost an automatic win at the moment. Said team has to actively throw really hard to lose with such a matchup.
I understand but the problem not come from Leopard 2 and Strv 122 entirely it was Gaijin that being rush patch out before giving buff to other tanks equally threatment if something i can say strv 122 are the very best example how hull armor should work, and this should apply for other tanks too.
giving them time Abrams might get hull buff too (when i say might i really don’t know but Abrams in dire need of hull buff and spall liner)
Oh yeah I agree. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want the 122s or 2A7Vs nerfed (although something might need to be done to Sweden, because they are ridiculous even compared to Germany, the second most dominant nation at the moment).
I just want every other nation up to a similar level.
After looking at tons of photos and documents, I’m not sure if the Abrams has a spall liner on the hull, however on the turret I’m almost 100% certain it does have.
Itll be about how theyre still evaluating the info, then theyll wait hoping thingsll keep cooling off, and then theyll anounce it afterwards hoping everyone forgot from the holidays
