whats wrong with a subtree abrams?
They have more than enough of their own MBT’s as it is and plenty more that could be added instead, They have a larger tech tree than the US, Yet keep getting copies of things from them, While copies from their tree isn’t going the other way.
They already have a South African sub tree, Now they get a second one?
Its pointless and just makes the purpose of tech trees pointless, Why grind the US tree when you can play every single iconic tank in a different tree?
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there are countless nations with stuff like centurions which are british.
where else would the australian sub tree go?
because the us not only has the best abrams they also have the most amount of them?
+1, why not?
TLDR, i dont want to grind america so give me all abrams in the UK from a technicality.
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Significantly less than the American->everyone else train.
There is like 2 other nations with centurions, Israel and Sweden.
Very little of the British tree exists in the others in comparison.
The Americans share a meal while the Brits share crumbs.
Split between the nation of primary origin or what fits the respective tree the most, Like how the Polish Leo 2 is in the German tree and Polish Firefly is in the British one.
Not every country needs to be represented as a full on sub tree or tech tree, And not everyone needs to have the same thing just because they tried it once.
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While I do agree on some things like Britain not needing it’s trialed Abrams, this is a tad of an understatement.
Spoiler
Vosper 70ft class- Present in Italy and France as GIS 811 and MTB 96
Revenge class- Present in the USSR as Arkhangelsk
Hawker Hunter- Present in France, Germany and Sweden as J34, F.58, F.58A (1971) and F.6
Hunt class- Present in France as La Combattante
River class- Present in France as La Surprise
Gloster Gladiator- Present in China, Sweden and France as J8A and MK1
Hawker Hurricane- Present in USSR and Sweden as MKII and MK1/L
Handley page Hampton- Present in the USSR as TB MKI
Vickers Wellington- Present in Germany as Mk 1c
Hawker Tempest- Present in Germany as MK V
de Havilland Mosquito- Present in China and Sweden as J30, FB.MK 26, FB Mk VI ASH, FB Mk VI, F.MK.II
de Havilland Vampire- Present in Italy and Sweden as A28B and FB 52A
Hawker sideley Hawk 200- Present in Japan Hawk 209
Hawker Sea Fury- Present in France as FB51
Supermarine Spitfire- Present in France, USA, Italy, USSR and Israel as LF Mk IXc (CW), Mk.IX (CW), Mk IXC, LF Mk.IXe, Mk Vb/trop, LF Mk IXc and FR Mk XIVe.
Supermarine Seafire- Present in France as LF.MK III
Avro Lancaster- Present in France as MR.7
Gloster Meteor- Present in Israel and France as F Mk.8, F.8, FR.9 and NF.13
Crusader- Present in France as Mk.II
Valentine- Present in the USSR as MK-IX “Valentine”
Mark IV- Present in Germany as Beutepanzer IV
Matilda II- Present in USSR as MK-II “Matilda”
Churchill - Present in Germany as Pz.Kpfw. Churchill.
Centurion- Present in Sweden and Israel as Sho’t, Sho’t Kal Dalet, Sho’t Kal Alef, Sho’t Kal Gimel, Strv 81, Strv 81 (RB 52), Strv 101, Strv 104 and Strv 105
Charioteer- Present in Sweden as Mk VII
Vickers 6 ton- Present in Sweden as Mk.E
Comet- Present in Sweden as I
Fairey Firefly- Present in France as F.Mk.IV
Also not sure how to count this but the Canberra/B-57, Harrier, Tornado, Typhoon and Jaguar are all joint projects with USA, Germany+Italy and France for their respective jets
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Its still less in comparison by a massive margin, The Brits are not the ones who have an entire 2 ranks of majority copy-pasted vehicles in a row, In fact they are one of the most unique in the entire game.
Only because they are artificially nerfed, Take that up with the devs.
Its still an MBT, You are asking for an MBT copy-paste to fill an already filled MBT slot.
Thats like saying the Americans should get the Tiger 2 they captured because its not exactly like the 3 other heavies they already have.
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Some people really do be upset Australia is sharing a tech tree with the UK now. Yet not one of them can provide a logical reason why that’s bad lmao.
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Too bad for them if they want that specific tank, they should just grind for it.
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These vehicles need to be represented in the Polish tech tree 💪💪💪
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Missed opportunity to call this suggestion “IN ALL WAYS THE RIGHT CHOICE”.
Perfect suggestion for the current War Thunder landscape. I don’t see what all the pushback is about. Let me leave with a poem.
First they came for the Sherman. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Rank 2 & 3 US player.
Then they came for the Stuart, the Chaffee, and the Bulldog. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a US light tank player.
Then they came for the GMC’s and SPG’s. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a US GMC and SPG player.
Then they came for the Patton. And I did not speak out. Because I was not a Patton player.
Then they came for the Abrams. And there was no one left. To speak out for me.
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I don’t know about you, but that sounds like a perfect title for a British M1A2 suggestion to me
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Nah, I got you covered.
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+1 I like chaos
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well yeah i agree with you fully there
im not asking for this M1A1 im perfectly happy with the 2 we got
you cant give any sort of good reason why the Australian SEPV3 is bad in the UK tree
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It gives the Aussie players the representation they want and deserve
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It gives the british top tier an actual meta MBT and not some artificially nerfed crap (sorry challenger)
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It adds more diversity to the british tree (while taking nothing away from the american one)
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It makes Australia an official british sub tree which should have been done years ago
i also dont know how its copy paste when it has a different camo and it uses KEW-A2 instead of M829A3, the word “copy paste” is seeming to lose its meaning as its not a direct copy it has its own unique changes
its not because a captured tiger 2 doesnt do a lot of things
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it doesnt fill a space that needs to be filled in the tree
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it doesnt give any representation to a nation that isnt considered a major nation ingame
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its a better definition of copy paste because its not a vehicle sold to a nation and put in another tree
i can understand sort of why your annoyed that britain got an abrams but your not making any good arguments against it, its mostly just whining becuse we got a good top tier tank
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This was always the case with the community, it it’s similar it’s copy & paste.
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yeah i dont understand it, half the things people call copy paste arent reaally copy paste there just similar vehicles
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But what if they don’t want to, i don’t wanna grind shermans, i can make exception for Israeli ones. I was grinding American ones and i remember it as particularly painful, gun bad, armor bad, mobility utterly horrible 16 km/h on straight ground. So much suffering to get through 1/3 of TT. I would like to have challenger 2, but i don’t wanna grind ugly British tanks, i like chieftain and centurions, excelsior, but there is also plenty of stuff that are too ugly to look at without disgust.
Simply for that simple reasons i have nothing against such copy paste.
I like grinding, i love it, i don’t think it’s painful in WT mostly, until you won’t meet pay to win stuff like t55am with darts, armor, stabilization while your tank has nothing of these.
I want to grind what i want, so not necessarily everything, if i will have nothing to grind then simply i may play something else and occasionally grind event vehicles, decorations with vehicles which are already grinded. For this purpose i have many lineup presets which i like.
