Sprut is better because it doesn’t have a turning radius of the equator and the M1128 is better because your teams aren’t made of 2S38/72 TURMS/80UD
Question, are you making this comparison to the Sabra / 120S or stryker, as if it is the former two, saying the 2S25M only has “slightly better speed / acceleration” is a MASSIVE understatement when compared to the 120S.
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The 2S25M is only 22kph faster, which, while it does mean something, is not a super massive difference like the M1128, which is 48kph faster (aka double the speed of the Sabra/120S) with only slightly worse firepower. The reason I brought the Sabra and the 120S into the discussion was due to their equivalent firepower to the 2S25M, but in relation to armor/speed, it is comparing apples to oranges.
Max speed is irrelevant if both the Sabra and 120S are sporting vastly inferior PWTRs, the 120S is a literal boat compared to the 2S25M, comparing them at all mobility wise is just … no.
The only thing even remotely comparable is their guns, everything else is not even close to being comparable.
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was that report passed? or is it in limbo
They stated that they’re going to add it but they never did.
M1128 also has a huge turning radius, low ammo count and low 1st stage ammo rack
Dont forget it has its own zip code its so big
That’s why I said
I was comparing their guns; their speed and armor are not really comparable to the 2S25M. Learn to read.
Omitting the entire PTWR bit I see, as well, reminder that your original post exclusively correlates the 120S and Sabra’s entire being to the 2S25M, you then attempted to deflect by pulling the M1128’s top speed into the mix which I highlighted as irrelevant.
Nope, you were comparing their rounds prior and such was only part of your argument, as highlighted again to that same end you still brought back up this statement -
Top speed is largely irrelevant if you can never actually attain it, which is why I stated -
You are now attempting to deflect the reality that the M1128, 120S and Sabra all cannot hold a candle to the 2S25M’s mobility due to their largely inferior PWTRs, max speed is irrelevant if you can never reliably actually attain it.
For reference, since I know you will try to twist this,
The M1128 has a PWTR of 15 hp/t
The 2S25M has a PWTR of 27.8 hp/t
The Sabra has a PWTR of 16.5 hp/t
The 120S has a PWTR of 13.3 hp/t
Now tell me, which vehicle here do you think has superior mobility? I’ll give you a hint, its not the M1128.
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If you use the slat armor… which nobody should, as it’s literally just a mod that makes the tank worse with zero benefit. If you’re actually properly using the Stryker, it has 18.7 hp/t which is much better.
Still far below the 27.8 hp/t of the 2A25M however.
Top speed is not irrelevant because position is important, and a higher top speed means you can get to a better position faster. You have never even used the 2S25M how do you know what its mobility is like? As someone who has played both the 2S25M and the M1128, the only major difference in their mobility is that the turn radius is larger on the M1128. They may have different PTWR, but the M1128 (0-50kph in about 8.5 seconds) accelerates almost as fast as the 2S25M (0-50kph in about 8 seconds) and has an even higher top speed. On another note, the top speed is attainable; you just need to use it right and drive in a straight line, small bumps and non-paved surfaces don’t affect its speed as much as large hills and turning a lot.
If you can ever reliably attain it, which the M1128 cannot, while the 2S25M can.
Since I have the ability to test both, how about I do so for you.
This is the match time on road for both vehicles reaching their top speed on the same around 500 meter stretch of road.
The 2S25M stock takes 21.29 seconds to reach 70 km/h, it’s max speed.
The M1128 maxes out at 77 km/h by 1:25.77 seconds and cannot attain it’s max speed of 96 km/h on the same stretch of road, it reaches the end of the course before as it reaches 77 km/h.
The M1128’s time to 70 km/h is 35.49 seconds on the same course.
Both vehicles were tested on the same course with no crew skills and stock equipment with no armor appliqué to ensure an accurate result, if you want I can provide videos of the tests re-done if you still choose to beat around the bush.
Such is not the case unless you are going downhill for the M1128, not the 2S25M, it can attain it’s max speed on flat terrain.
I regret to inform you I was unable to attain such in my testing while exclusively using cruise control in a straight line on the M1128, the 2S25M had no such issues.
they most definitely do, however, my track does not contain such.
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There is a reason you couldn’t get max speed, and that is because you don’t have the right mods and crew skills. Your entire argument about max speed involves using a neutered vehicle, and as such, is not valid. I can reliably reach or nearly reach max speed using the M1128 in almost any match if I am trying to flank, but brawling in CQB (which is not the M1128’s optimal playstyle) will not allow you to reach your top speed.
As does the 2S25M which had no issues reaching it’s max speed in the exact same setting, once again, both vehicles were set up this way to prevent outlying variables as I have variable driver skills in my soviet and US trees, thus, it would not be an accurate comparison as both drivers would not be the same.
Factually incorrect, as, once again, both vehicles are in identical states, a “valid” test is not possible otherwise.
Wonderful, matches are not a viable location to test formal stats, as, already stated, I preformed these test runs in a laboratory environment with both vehicles in identical states, you did not.
Once again, I am fully willing to provide video evidence of this testing if you still doubt my findings.
As already stated above, both vehicles are on identical terrain, in identical states, both accelerating exclusively via cruise control with no outside input by me, such is as empirical of an acceleration and top speed test as possible as there are no outside variables at play.
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It is not a valid test as you do not have it set up in a way that allows both vehicles to reach their full potential. Plus, your argument is also flawed; battle rating is based on a spaded and aced vehicle (best possible stats), not the stock performance. You are comparing two vehicles and arguing whether one is better than the other, but you are ignoring part of the picture.
But there are other variables at play; they are not at their best in certain environments, meaning you have to conduct this test across multiple different terrains and distances before ultimately saying your test is empirical. Your test is very circumstantial and is saying “in this one scenario, X is better than Y” which is not how vehicles are balanced.
Depending on what variation you’re referring to: 2S25 came from BMD-4; 2S25M came from BMD-4M; BMD-4 came from BMD-3 as a modern upgrade formerly known as BMD-3M, and then BMD-2 and BMD-1 sharing the same modified chassis from the BTR-D with only the ‘forth’ and ‘third’ generation featuring hydropneumatic suspension.
That is very much so an opinion, as already stated both vehicles are in identical states, having them otherwise would not be an accurate test.
I will not be speaking to BR placement as I have not so far, I have only spoken to you spewing factually incorrect vehicle statistics, please see the last line.
To that same end as already stated, an aced test is not possible as both crew loads are inherently varied, if you want me to come back in a year or so when I’ve fully maxed out my crews then fine, but until then this is the only accurate way to have an actual accurate measure of performance.
Not at all, I am working within the limitations of the game itself, it is impossible to get an accurate and equal comparison otherwise.
Incorrect, this is on a controlled area within a user mission for this exact trial.
Incorrect, both vehicles are present on the same paved road with the same distance limitation, this is the best type of terrain available in game and both vehicles have the same maximum run distance to get up to their max speed, to that same end both vehicles are preset in their launch angle and only controlled by the cruise control function meaning human error is not at play.
There is no reason to test these vehicles outside of the best terrain available as the M1128 is already not capable of reaching it’s max speed on the best available terrain, as such, it would only degrade it’s performance further on inferior terrain types. If the M1128 was able to reach it’s max speed on the test track there would be precedent for testing on other terrains, such is not the case.
That is very much so your opinion, to that same end, you made this claim earlier -
This claim has nothing to do with BR related placements, it is a factually incorrect statement that I have debunked through testing, the M1128 is not able to attain it’s top speed in optimal conditions, the 2S25M is capable of such, as I have proven and I am willing to provide videos on the subject if you continue to deny reality.
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