This is so insanely ironic its actually funny. Atleast 4 people have told you the pros of the Abrams, and yet you choose to be as ignorant as humanly possible.
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Pros of the Abrams (as listed by others):
It’s better than the Challey Ariete and Merkava
It’s one of the best vehicles at its BR in the hands of a skilled player, it’s one of the worst at its BR in the hands of an unskilled player.
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It’s also better than the T-90M, T-72B3A, Leo 2A5/2A6/PSO, ZTZ99s, VT-4s, Oplot, all T-80s except maybe the BVM (only the BVM is somewhat close), the Type 10s and Leclercs.
Just because that truth hurts your perception of reality doesn’t change that it’s the truth.
Also so we don’t get off topic the thread specifically refers to the base M1 not later variants.
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Yeah, but that off topic line was crossed a long time ago.
But I do agree that the M1 specifically has the potential to be the best 10.7 if played with even a tiny bit of situational awareness.
A vehicle that’s only equal to contemporaries played by average players, when it’s played by a skilled player is just a bad tank, plain and simple.
I’m sorry that you struggle so hard to fight a bad tank. I hope some day you’ll learn to accept the truth even when it hurts.
I would like if it got M833 to have a similar round to its contemporaries but I do enjoy playing it overall.
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Ah yes I struggle so much fighting anything that I have a K/D between 1.5-2.8 in almost all of my top tier MBTs.
Every average player with even a little bit of situational awareness should already be able to go at least positive in the Abrams (any of them).
It’s not a bad tank, it’s just unforgiving if you’re not good with it. As I have stated on multiple other threads, the Abrams gets a lot of passive advantages, not active ones. You have one of the best turret traverse rates, reloads, mobility, gun elevation/depression, and optics. To your average or low skill player, these advantages are meaningless, as things like armor and ammunition are more important. To a skilled player, these are the advantages everyone wants.
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Even a Japanese guy called him a knuckle-dragger bro the forum laughing stock
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Active advantages like armor, firepower, and mobility are more useful than a decent reverse speed.
Oh, and not to mention, all of the passive advantages of the Abrams are held by other stronger tanks like the Leo 2 and TKX/Type 10 anyways.
M774 spalls less in general because it penetrates less than DM23, 3BM42, L26, etc…
That being said, yes mass is irrelevant.
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I don’t think there’s a point in continuing to argue with him. You’re not going to change his mind, he’s too arrogant. Maybe someday he’ll learn to not shoot the most armored part of T-XX tanks, and then Abrams will click with him.
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The difference in mobility between the M1 Abrams and other hyper-mobile MBTs (2A4, MSC, Type 90, 2K) doesn’t seem that big from what I’m seeing.
I’m surprised there’s no Vickers Mk.7 on that list.
M1A1 / IPM1 only being slightly slower is also quite interesting.
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Yeah I know, I just get triggered by people who deliberately decide to stay oblivious.
I respect confidence a lot, but overconfidence also just triggers me.
And Pangolin checks off both of these.
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Again like I said, active advantages are more sought out by bad players. It’s why you see people at WWII BRs using APCR because it has the highest flat penetration. The TKX and Type 10 are 12.7 vehicles, they can’t even see the base M1 unless someone uptiers it. The only 4 advantages the 2A4 holds over the base M1 is the vertical gun handling, armor, optical zoom, and ammunition. The base M1 has a higher power to weight ratio, more first stage ammo, better reload, speed, and mobility.
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After the T-80B got the 6s reload buff, it’s certainly closer now.
T-80UD/BE is arguably still much worse off, even after that change.
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The armour of the 2A4 is more well-rounded, and way less prone to autocannon fire than the Abrams.
That being said, the Abrams has better hull and turret cheek armour.
If they change the turret ring from 68mm to something more reasonable (~120mm at the least) then I’d say the Abrams actually has better armour.
Kinda hard not to get overconfident when fighting the most pathetic tank at your BR.
Active advantages are sought out by everyone.
No1 is gonna take a T95E1 over an M60A1 (AOS) for its faster turret rotation.
Maybe bad players who don’t know better.
That just reinforces what I said before. The Abrams is a jack of just one, having average mobility. It’s only really faster than the Leo 2 and the crappy minor nation tanks.