M1 Abrams should receive a better round than M774

[WalletWarrior69]

all of those vehicles arent 11.7, stop manipulating lol
I’m showing the state of russian bias playing on 11.7
EVERYONE has 60% wr on t80bvm, its straight up proof of russia having a much better lineup than any other country at 11.7

[AlvisWisla]

There is no Russian bias.
It’s a myth made up by Russians to make themselves feel better about their mid vehicles.

[tripod2008]

@AlvisWisla

There is no Russian bias.

So when are they fixing Stingers? Oh wait…

[AlvisWisla]

1- This is about Abrams.
2- Stingers are currently better than Igla by far.
2a- You proved no Russian bias by bringing up an American missile that’s better than Soviet equivalent.

[tripod2008]

@AlvisWisla

This is about Abrams.

The claim about Russian Bias was never siloed to some specific set of examples, and the claim of not existing is very broad and so easily disprovable statement, due to that fact.

If you needed one though compare how much they have resisted implementing any sort of improvement to the hull NERA array, and compare that to the planned IRST & HMD on the Yak-141, or various limited run / prototype Thermals being present on Whatever T-80 configuration that is relevant.

@AlvisWisla

Stingers are currently better than Igla by far.

Ok? That doesn’t make them properly implemented.

@AlvisWisla

You proved no Russian bias by bringing up an American missile that’s better than Soviet equivalent.

So can you explain the following erroneous performance? Stingers don’t seem to be doing all to well.

MANPADS Missiles and Overload: The Technical Details

Enjoy.

Let alone the already linked explanation of the oversights made in the MANPADS Article? or their use of Soviets sources and flawed assumptions that with all of 10 minutes of looking were dispelled.

AMRAAM Spaa

There was sufficient sources to disprove Gaijin’s flawed assumptions about the Stinger’s overload performance, but they ignored them completely. take for example the following excerpt from ADA111769 Viewing collectively the results obtained, it is concluded that the effect of directing steering control out of the angle-of-attack platte can be approximated, for the conditions tested, by directing the control-force increments and control-moment increments obtained when 0 = 0’ to the new stee…

[RemoveCASfromGRB]

Obligatory Igla Moment

Why is the type 81C BR getting moved up to 11.3

I made a video

[AlvisWisla]

You brought up Yak-141 thus your entire post is null and void.
“Yak-141 was introduced with the same exact rules as Kikka and Ho-229.” doesn’t prove anything other than Gaijin has been consistent with those rules for 12 years.

Again, Stinger isn’t Russian, so it can’t be used as proof.
Glad you agree with me that Stinger is currently incorrect though.

[Necrons31467]

@WalletWarrior69

here a pic of my 2a7 dying to a t80bvm HE shell hit in turret

HESH and HEAT are receiving their own overpressure mechanics next patch.
You’ll be able to overpressure T-80BVM’s by hitting their turret fronts as well.

Also, personally I wouldn’t be so open about complaining about T-80BVM’s whilst using the (shared) best tank in the entire game, it’s a bit embarrassing.

@WalletWarrior69

and you are proving my point by having 60% wr on t80bvm in 124 battles

Feel free to try that with me.

[tripod2008]

@AlvisWisla

You brought up Yak-141 thus your entire post is null and void.

You’re going to explain how right?
Established precedent would dictate that things don’t get planned features if they existed, I don’t know if you know this by the Yak-141 did actually take flight and was tested so isn’t covered under paper designs, its closer to a prototype like the M247.

Yakovlev Yak-141 Crash

@AlvisWisla

Again, Stinger isn’t Russian

I know, so why is its performance in game based of Russian sources as per the Devblog, then. Not actual documents

With a single-channel relay control of a rolling airframe missile, to create a control force in any direction of flight, the rudders are moved by the servomotor mechanism from one outermost position to another four times per revolution of the missile’s rotation. This rudder control scheme makes it possible to regulate the resulting overload and therefore ensure proportional guidance of the missile.

Source: “Техническая подготовка командира взвода ПЗРК 9К38 “Игла””, И. Акулов, В. Байдаков, А. Васильев, 2011.

@AlvisWisla

so it can’t be used as proof.

Its about the seeming arbitrary double standard, that is quite easily observed in a few explicit instances.

[AlvisWisla]

@tripod2008

You’re going to explain how right?

@AlvisWisla

“Yak-141 was introduced with the same exact rules as Kikka and Ho-229.” doesn’t prove anything other than Gaijin has been consistent with those rules for 12 years.

Read entire posts before responding.

Cause you would know that 1: Yak-141 was not introduced in 2012 as you imply [it’d have to be added before Kikka and Ho-229 to “start” the precedent that Kikka and Ho-229 actually started.]
And 2: Kikka and Ho-229 introduced these rules, not Yak-141.

So you’re either posting lies, or genuinely believe Yak-141 was introduced to the game in 2012.
Neither makes you look good.

[WalletWarrior69]

you have only 7 battles with t80bvm and 86% wr
you only played leopard 2a6 and judging by your stats in vehicles you played it before t80bvm was added.

[AlvisWisla]

@WalletWarrior69

you played it before t80bvm was added.

Which is irrelevant.

[WalletWarrior69]

it isnt, leo2a6 was good before it was dominated by t80bvm thats why some people can have inflated WR with it

[AlvisWisla]

T-80BVM never dominated Leopard 2A6.
T-80BVM is a sidegrade to T-80U: Far less armor for a better round and T-72B3’s turret traverse.
Which T-72B3 has the most armor of the three, 3BM60, and the turret traverse being easily as good as T-80BVM.

So as I said, your point is irrelevant.

[WalletWarrior69]

t80bvm has superior armor to t80u with its fake era

[Necrons31467]

@WalletWarrior69

you only played leopard 2a6 and judging by your stats in vehicles you played it before t80bvm was added.

Not at all, just like a lot of my high tier vehicles, I play them quite consistently across every patch.
If I had to estimate, around 90% of my matches in the Leopard 2A6 are played during the period where the T-80BVM was added.

So AlvisWisla having a 60% winrate in his T-80BVM proves Russian Bias.
But me having 60%+ winrates in the M1A1, Leopard 2A5, Leopard 2A6 and IPM1 suddenly doesn’t count?

[WalletWarrior69]

find me a person with 100 battles and small WR in t80bvm

[AlvisWisla]

LOL!
T-80BVM does not have superior armor, its turret armor is seen at 10.3 on T-80B.
And the fact you think NATO are liars about its ERA…
More lol.

[WalletWarrior69]

relikt era gives it superior armor and NATO always overestimates russian technology, and russians always underestimate western

[tripod2008]

@AlvisWisla

Cause you would know that 1: Yak-141 was not introduced in 2012 as you imply [it’d have to be added before Kikka and Ho-229 to “start” the precedent that Kikka and Ho-229 actually started.]
And 2: Kikka and Ho-229 introduced these rules, not Yak-141.

And you would not bring these specific examples up unless you somehow though that it was still relevant? It be like saying that the fact that M18s are impacted by Hullbreak was a bad thing, even though it has been preceded by Overpressure in its entirety.

@AlvisWisla

So you’re either posting lies

Have any sources to back that up, at all? or relevant technical documentation that I’ve somehow managed to overlook. Even with the lie above that doesn’t actually address the issue presented.

@AlvisWisla

Neither makes you look good.

I’d much rather have things be accurately implemented where documentation exists, and has been presented. Than have some compulsion to look good for strangers on the internet.