Correct, there are things other than just looking at the round’s pen.
Maybe you should play the tanks that align with your playstyle?
I dont play stuff like the 2s38 or hstvl a lot because they dont fit me well. Same reason i dont play stuff like the f5 in air rb. Personally, i find the 10.7 abrams to be pretty fun. Only reason i dont play it now is because of the bmpt spam.
Obtainability: M1 free TT vehicle, 292 ~200 USD on market.
M1 Abrams and Object 292? What a funky comparison, the M1 is leagues better.
The M1 is a far more versatile vehicle compared to the 292, it makes pretty decent sense they’re the same BR.
And on top of that, imagine if we did give the Abrams that better round, in what world would that not instantly make every other MBT at that BR obsolete?
As much as I really dislike the Object 292, there is a thing called reload speed. So if you want the Abrams to have a 10 second reload, then sure, it could get a major pen buff.
The more reasonable comparison would probably be with the Challenger Mk3 as they largely share the reload rate.
So you would need to justify the M1 Abrams having a notably higher Pen than L26 whilst also having better mobility and survivability to the CR1 (and assuming the bug report never gets fixed, better sustained fire rate)
? Object 292 is quite good. Depending on situation ofc. Theres lost of situations where the t80B with thermals, smokes, 6 seconds reload and 50 cal is just way better. But if you play more cautiously and manage to play around the 10 second reload the 292 is a beast. In long range sniping especially. Though all the added SPIKE slingers are a big problem if you dont have thermal smoke like the 292 doesnt. Then you gotta be really aware of their positions and try to bonk them with the giant 152 mm he before you get domed by a spike you cant do anything about as soon as its locked onto u.
In most situations, especially in cqc brawling the t80B with better armor, thermals, 6 second reload, DhsKA and smokes is way better than the 292 so i dont really see how the Obj 292 is such a big problem for the m1 to deal with while the t80b doesnt even get a honorary mention? Its just 2 mbts with very different playstyles and if ppl dont like how the m1 plays, thats fine, its more on the light tank side of things but that doesnt make any of the 2 tanks bad. At least we still get to play tanks around that br with different capabilities, in top tier basically every tank plays the same…
so what br do you think 292 should be
11.0 would be fine.
It’s fine where it is tbh, I don’t particularly like it since it lacks what a lot of tanks have at its BR and below.
I’d rather have an M18 or a M44 duster than an M1 it’s that bad. You guys are trolls. In what universe is one tapping anything you look at in the 292 not better in every way. It could go to 11.0 and be fine.
I think you’re comparing apples to oranges. It’s kind of a gimick tank to be honest.
A more apt comparison is the T80UD and the Abrams.
Both offer something valuable to the table. I’d still prefer the UD in most games because of its sheer survivability but that’s just personal preference
My IQ is 137.
then go take those to run in your 10.7 line up?
Its not better when i want to play something that has good reaction times and mobility. If i want to play slower or something then yeah, obj292 is the way to go.
Right, but the post is about why the M1 can’t have it’s other rounds now that it’s a poor experience to play and the power isn’t a problem because the Striker has M900 at 10.3 while the M1 sits at 10.7 and has a really weak round and the 292 has an incredible round for the same BR as the M1 so why can’t it have it…
There is no joy in any nation while Pantsir and BMPT exist.
Nothing is worth playing. Begging for scraps for the M1 yah know.
And the sturer emil has the pzgr 43 at 4.0 while the maus has the same round at 7.7.
Still non sequitur comparisons. Fuck it this game is shit. I give up
All you do is look at a single stat and think that is the only thing that matters.
Somehow you didnt do that when asked about the pather/t34 yet went straight back to only looking at the round’s max pen the second someone mentions the abrams.
I understand that that is what the thread is also about, but while theres nothing that speaks against it getting better rounds that it used irl, with a better round it would likely go up in BR and its armor would be even more cosmetic?
the stryker has round comparable to top tier (or almost top tier) pen but with lower caliber on a chassis that struggles with gun depression, gun handling and a subpar reload. Except for the difference of obj 292 having good armor but bad sights (Stryker has gen 2 or 3 gunner thermals) does that sound familiar? Very capable Gun/round comes with other downsides at this BR. Downsides the M1 doesnt have: Mobility, Gun handling, Sights (Gen1, but still better than nothing, while the 292 is unplayable in night battles), Smokes, ESS, 50 cals and a reload thats better than any other mbt at the BR (tied with the chally and its 3 round ready rack).
Id rather let it keep the worse rounds it has and stay at 10.7 than go up where you dont have a lineup for it and its armor becomes worse bc stuff there in general gets better rounds. If you want to play a mbt at 10.3/7 for the US with insane Round/pen, why not play the 120 s with basically top tier performing round and 5 second (!!!) reload but other downsides, as, once again, every tank around these BRs has. You want a 10.7 tank with basically no downsides except a bit worse armor than the average mbt but everything else is almost top tier performance? I can tell you now it will go up then. To where theres no lineup. And its current statshark stats show its doing decently well compared to almost all other MBTs around its BR?
If you dont want to play it to its strenghts as a bit lighter armored mbt that excells in flanking, fine, play the 120s. Theres options if you want to play straight up breakthrough/brawling. If you force it into unfavorable situations, you can, you’re free to play each tank however you want, and then end in situations where the tanks youre facing has the upper hand, but thats not the problem of the vehicle youre playing. Sometimes every tank no matter whos controlling it just ends up in situations where theres very little you can do.